Guns and Judges: Electing the Supreme Court in 2008 [Must Read!]

Townhall ^ | May 15, 2008 | Sandy Froman, NRA Immediate Past President

[precisionshootist]

I’m going to have to agree with poster (A Balrog of Morgoth). John McCain is attempting to force conservatives to ratify the global warming fraud out of fear of an Obama or Hillary presidency. What’s worse is I think the guy enjoys sticking it to conservatives. Up until McCain’s recent speech outlining his global warming agenda I could have voted for him, but not any more. McCain’s proposed environmental policy is Socialism pure and simple and I’m not going to deliberately support it with my vote. We as a party must look at the long term. McCain will destroy the conservative movement and the GOP.

From my screen name you might accurately conclude that issues concerning the RKBA are important to me to say the least, so you can understand how difficult it is for me to decline to support our party’s nominee.

[mathluv]

Conservatives are the LAST ones he will listen to about a VP.

[tcostell]

It's true, if we're going to think about judges then we don't really have any options. The thing we need to figure out is, is Barak Obama going to be the next George McGovern or the next Jimmy Carter. As much as some are bemoaning the state of the GOP in a post President McCain world, I think I'd rather Obama be the next McGovern.

There will be other ways to exercise some sort of grassroots restraint on President McCain. The places where he differs with the interests of Americans are all hot button issues. Bush wasn't able to get immigration through because of the grassroots, and McCain will have the same problem.

And the GOP was never really a conservative party any more than the Democrats were. They were always parasitic politicians first, and conservatives second. It's just that we've all stopped giving them a pass on it.

Unfortunately our system is thoroughly broken, and just electing someone isn't enough anymore. Once we put them in office we need to continually hound and berate them to keep them on the right path. The interests of those in the government, and the interests of the American people are no longer the same. We will only be able to keep them in line through constant diligence.

[Always Right]

My thinking is coming down to this - John McCain may be the better short term tactical solution, but what about the long term?

Presidential elections are short term, but Supreme Court appointments are long term results. Supreme Court appointments can last 25 years or even longer.

[sergeantdave]

Organization amongst conservatives is key to controlling Mr. McCain.

I can’t even get conservatives to show up at local town meetings to politically clean up their own backyards. How can conservatives exert any influence when they don’t show up at meetings to control their local governments

The Founders realized you must have a political base - local government - to operate from before taking on large central government. That lesson hasn’t been learned yet.

[ovrtaxt]

The Founders realized you must have a political base - local government - to operate from before taking on large central government. That lesson hasn’t been learned yet.

Um, that war we had in the 1860's pretty much did away with that whole idea. The 10th Amendment doesn't carry as much weight since then.

[ishabibble]

I certainly don’t agree with Al Gore’s global warming BS, but I do think that Newt Gingrich has a point when he says that we can’t let the Lefties and the envirofacists own this discussion. On this subject, they rule the field.
If McCain wants to lay some groundwork so that a reasonable voice can talk about this subject, I have no objection.
All that oil that sits in ANWAR and all the oil in the Gulf of Mexico is a very good reason to start hitting back at the GW cult.

[SMARTY]

“The country will not recover from the damage he and his pinko Supreme Court appointees will inflict.”

No, not EVER!

There will be no turning back from their absolute tidal wave of social and political ‘reforms’ they will foist upon us, depend on it!

THAT SAID... denying citizens of the U.S. a legal right to gun ownership will IMMEDIATELY precipitate the need for many more and larger prisons in this country,...because it will make lawbreakers of all of us.

Myself, I have never owned or wanted a gun...BUT, the instant you tell me I cannot legally possess one... I WILL BE OUT THERE SHOPPING FOR A GUN AND AMO!!!! THAT'S A PROMISE!

[Shooter 2.5]

I’ll make it easier for you. I’m voting against the dem party and once the dem party can’t get a dog catcher in office, that’s when I expect the Repuplican Party to finally stop pandering to the libs.

Hate to break it to you but we are not a conservative country so true conservatives have a tough time getting elected.

[nygoose]

Gee, why not go out today?

[MortMan]

You can also rest assured that if Barack Hussein Obama wins the general election, there will be no United States of America as we now know it four years hence.

I'm sorry you have so little faith in the United States of America and its resilience to bad leadership. How did we ever get through Carter? And THAT was a horrible time!

[stevio]

I totally agree with McCain’s web site on the 2nd Amendment. The problem is, can we trust him? I’ll wait to see who his running mate is before deciding on if to vote for him. God be with us.

[Shooter 2.5]

LOL. By the time you decide to buy a gun, you’ll either won’t find one or can’t afford it.

Buy a gun with your rebate and LEARN TO USE IT.

[Old Teufel Hunden]

Just a few things I wanted to point out here.

If Sandy Froman is advising McCain on judges with respect to the 2nd Amendment, thats a good thing. She is one of the good guys (maybe gals is more appropriate here).

If Bob Bahr had any shot whatsoever to win the Presidency from the constitutional party I would vote for him in a second. He doesn’t so if I vote for him or some other third party candidate in the general election I’m just wasting my vote.

I could agree with people who say vote third party or stay home about John McCain except for one reason. That is that all signs appear to show that the down ticket people are going to take a blood bath. Three safe seats in Mississippi Louisisana and Illinois have just gone from red to blue. It’s not a good trend. Obama in the white house without support from Congress is not the worst thing in the world. However, if the dumbocrats get a super majority in the Congress with Obama as President that is simply not an option.

In conclusion, I would have to say that holding my nose and voting for McCain is the only option. Getting half of what I want and being raging mad at the other half is better than getting universal health care, higher taxes and socialist judges rammed down my throat. It’s the world we live in right now. The important thing is that he gives us a good conservative VP and we go out and do all we can to support the down ticket people in the Congress and the Senate.

The last thing I wanted to address is someone who mentioned about the 10th amendment being trampled during the Civil war. While it’s true that the 10th amendment has been trampled upon, I don’t think that having the federal government step in and stop a whole race of people (Americans by the way) from being denied their civil liberties qualifies as trampling on the 10th amendment. If the federal government is not there to protect all of our civil liberties even when the state government won’t what is it for?

[Old Teufel Hunden]

"Hate to break it to you but we are not a conservative country so true conservatives have a tough time getting elected."

If that is true, then why do all of these democrats that are getting elected have to run as conservatives? How come the only true conservative president we have had in my lifetime won re-election by a 49 state margin? If we got true conservatives instead of sell outs, ones who could represent our positions faithfully we would win. The reason the republican party is in the mess it is right now is not because it is too conservative, but because it strayed away from it's conservative roots.

[rellimpank]

--I'm with you--I vote against any and all Demotraitors on principle.

--for the "grasp at dandelion" quoters, Ronald Reagan put it best: " If you go over a cliff with all flags flying, you are still going over a cliff"---

[Shooter 2.5]

I didn't know Duncan Hunter was the nominee instead of McCain.

I must have missed that.

[Joe Brower]

Welcome to RealPolitik.

[Little Ray]

McCain’s “beliefs” are subject to change without notice. He has an anti-gun history. Anybody remember the “Gun Show Loophole” cr@p?
So, it depends on his Vice President. McCain is OLD. He is not likely to last two entire terms. If he picks a good VP, one that we’d like to see as President, we should vote for him, simply to position a good prospect for the next term.
If he picks some RINO type, to heck with him.

[Old Teufel Hunden]

"I WILL BE OUT THERE SHOPPING FOR A GUN AND AMO!!!! THAT'S A PROMISE!"

For your first handgun, may I recommend a Ruger Mark III Hunter. It's a beautiful accurate pistol that fires .22 caliber rounds. Get it in the 6 7/8 inch barrell. Ammo is cheap and its a good pistol to learn on.

For your first long gun may I recommend a Ruger 10/22. It fires the same ammo (.22 rimfire) and is another good accurate rifle to learn to fire.

.22's (IMO) are the best firearms to first learn how to shoot. Ruger is an American company that makes great quality firearms at a good price. I learned to shoot on a .22 bolt action rifle. After you get proficient you can start shooting different and larger calibers.