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Posted on 05/14/2008 9:20:18 AM PDT by PrivateIdaho
And in my line of work (space stuff), anomalies are often traceable to "failure to follow the checklist" on the part of the operators.
For example, back when I worked in Houston, John Young used to get "stick time" in the Shuttle simulator by jumping in as commander during rendezvous exercises. He never used the checklist ... and we usually ended up hosed. (Rumor had it that Mr. Young would often screw up intentionally, when it was time for him to go home.)
Good job r9etb including the photo and explanation.
Very interesting.. thanks for the lesson ;) I Love to learn something new every day.
“how cheap it is in the US to learn to fly”
Relative to other countries - yes.
However with the price of 100 LL going between $6 to $7 and rising, per gallon in California that will change.
OMG...ROFLMAO! That is exactly what my wife said as she was looking over my shoulder...
Or, the instructor pulled the mixtures(like mine did a few times), just not both of them. Or they ran out of gas, but extremely unlikely that both would quit at the same time.
Just curious ... why is the US less expensive?
Hamid A Wasti
“Plane’s engines quit before crash”
That kinda figures, eh? ;’)
Back in '88 our gubernatorial candidate went through a crash in a private plane ferrying him about. Plane demolished. Seat demolished. He walked out without a scratch.
Later founded the Evergreen Freedom Foundation.
US flight instruction is cheap relative to the rest of the world for 2 reasons:
1. Aircraft cost less here, mainly because most are manufactured here, and we don’t tax the bejesus out of the ones that are already here.
2. Fuel cost less than the rest of the world. Yes, it is expensive, but try to buy 50 gal of Avgas in Zimbavwie or Bangladesh.
“Any airport with a flight instructor is likely to have foreign students, been this way for more than 40 years, nothing new.
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Not since 9/11. The TSA has to give permission.
Give permission to who? There are millions of foreiginers in this country, they flash the cash, they get a “private” lesson.
“Any landing you walk away from was a good one.”
Oopsie. GMTA.
“they flash the cash, they get a “private” lesson.”
They can “flash” all they want, least it be a FSDO officer who flashes a badge and takes your CFI and shuts down the school. Many schools will no longer even contemplate a foreigner; the liabilities are too great if it turns out the student is a bad guy.
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It would unusual for the accident pilot to be a student pilot in a twin. Although multi candidates have been known to screw up. I’ll take a look in the FAA database.
For everyone’s safety, I’m glad he didn’t try to do the 180+ degree turn back to the airport - sounds like there wasn’t even enough altitude to do that anyway.
I don’t know what the density altitude was, but I’m wondering if he didn’t re-lean on downwind.
Let me see, I have 6 different flight ratings, and I have been to a grand total of ZERO “flight schools”. If I wanted type ratings in any aircraft I could afford, I can get those as well without going to “flight schools”.
Foreign flight students know more about how to acquire cheap ratings than I. 99.99% of them are just working Joes, not terrorists.
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