Posted on 05/14/2008 3:29:38 AM PDT by Man50D
I hope you don't really have kids.
The United States Office of Strategic Services said of Germany and Hitler ".....His primary rules are: never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it
Yup, if you are gonna lie, might as well lie big
Good point.
In 6th grade, no, but by 8th grade my rather naive 13 year old mind still knew who’d get knocked up before high school was out...and I was pretty much on the nose accurate.
I’m sure there are a lot of 11 year old whores.
Wow. **100%** of public school students are not Christians when they graduate.
Who knew?
(What a load!!!)
:)
I’m stealing that. :p
You work tirelessly to try to warn others of the danger.
Instead you get back misstatements of what you said, and “you’re a nazi” type comments.
The socialist paradigm has so clouded people’s minds, that is very hard for them to see. Socialism can not be just a little bit here, and a little bit there. It does destroy the fabric of the society that it has infected. Public schools are straight, pure socialism. If only there were enough people who understood, this country could be saved from the coming tyranny the socialism ALWAYS leads to.
“{I am not going to chase your red herrings.”
You apparently have no idea what that term means. Telling the fuller truth or pointing out gaping holes in an argument is not a red herring.
“Wow. **100%** of public school students are not Christians when they graduate.”
You noticed that as well. Just incase wintertime wants to deny she said that, let’s roll the tape from post #40.
“The best way to prepare children is to homeschool. More than 90% of homeschooled children remain active in the faith. In contrast, 85% of children institutionalized for their education in god-less government school leave their faith. What is even **more** distressing is that those young adults who do claim to be Christian hold beliefs that are **not** in any way Christian.”
Yep. You heard it. 100 percent of public school children either “leave their faith” or hold beliefs that are not Christian. Not Christian according to whom, I’m not sure, but there must be somebody out there checking all those kids thoughts for “Christianness.”
84% of students from Christian homes lose their faith by their sophomore year in college due to leftist/secular humanist indoctrination.
However, 90% of homeschooled kids keep their faith all the way through college.
Richard Rorty on what college teachers [should] do:
“When we American college teachers encounter religious fundamentalists, we do not consider the possibility of reformulating our own practices of justification so as to give more weight to the authority of the Christian scriptures.
Instead, we do our best to convince these students of the benefits of secularization. We assign first-person accounts of growing up homosexual to our homophobic students for the same reasons that German schoolteachers in the postwar period assigned The Diary of Anne Frank. . . You have to be educated in order to be . . . a participant in our conversation . . .
So we are going to go right on trying to discredit you in the eyes of your children, trying to strip your fundamentalist religious community of dignity, trying to make your views seem silly rather than discussable. We are not so inclusivist as to tolerate intolerance such as yours . . .
I don’t see anything herrschaftsfrei [domination free] about my handling of my fundamentalist students. Rather, I think those students are lucky to find themselves under the benevolent Herrschaft [domination] of people like me, and to have escaped the grip of their frightening, vicious, dangerous parents . . .
I am just as provincial and contextualist as the Nazi teachers who made their students read Der Stürmer; the only difference is that I serve a better cause.”
I simply don’t believe that.
Those statistics are ridiculous.
My first reaction would have been...”oh no you didn’t!” I would be all over that teacher, the school, the school district, the Board of Education, and anyone else who thought that that test was appropriate.
What kind of an idiot doesn’t know how cruel kids can be, and will ALWAYS point out the one they are the most and jealous envious of?
No sir, that teacher would dread the day she ever heard my name after that episode.
Didn’t find a study backing up the 84% number, but here’s a reference to a couple of studies claiming 50% and 67%.
“There are exceptions to anything but for a Christian to attend a secular college the percentages are not in your favor if you want to keep your faith. Utilizing data from a study conducted by Dr. Gary Railsback, I determined that over 52 percent of all incoming freshmen students who attend a secular college or university and identify themselves as born-again Christians will no longer identify themselves as born-again four years later. Or, they will not have attended any religious services in over a year, a clear rejection of their religious values and experience. A recent follow-up study by Dr. Railsback shows the same pattern of college students rejecting their faith, except for students attending a purposefully Christian college. Let me repeat, at least half and up to two-thirds of our kids will step away from their faith while attending non-Christian colleges and universities.”
http://www.sagu.edu/alumni/magazine/features.php?ID=135
The 84% number came from a recent conference session I attended given by Voddie Baucham.
Here’s the only reference I found:
“Pastor Baucham points out statistical surveys have shown that between 75% and 88% of SBC young people (depending on the particular survey) walk away from their faith by the end of their first year in college. “
It would be interesting to find the statistical surveys that he references.
Regardless, the point remains the same. “Educators” target Christian kids for indoctrination, and are pretty successful at it.
I read this thread and I had to chuckle.
Our school has a pageant for ‘Miss Our High School Name’, and the last year’s winner, an honor’s student, SGA president, most likely to succeed, etc. you name it, she did it, got her crown stripped from her because she became pregnant during her reign as queen.
As much as I would like to think that this is horrific, I fear that this is not an isolated incident.
Perhaps in the future you might want to quantify at what they will succeed...... just a thought :) I mean she did succeed at becoming pregnant!
In addition - how does one measure "Christian-ness"? Although all 3 of my siblings and I consider ourselves Christian, only 1 of us attends the same denomination in which we grew up. (I define Christian as believing in the virgin birth of Christ, his sacrifice for our sins, and the only way to heaven). But, I am no longer a Baptist - so depending on whom is looking at my family either we are 4 out of 4 Christian or 1 out of 4 Christian. The only thing that has changed is the denomination of our church, not our beliefs.
It's impossible for one to judge the 'innards' of another's heart. What would probably be a better study would be one that followed children for 20 plus years to see if those that were raised in a church had their children attend. Of course, it would be equally hard to pin done "WHY?" they no longer attended, but could be interesting
The fault here is not in the K-12 education, but in the university and the corrosive atmosphere there. Or so I've been told. I attended a christian university, so I have only anecdotes of others with which to compare my experience.
Do you know -- are homeschool grads more likely to attend a Christian university such as Bob Jones University, BYU, Liberty, Patrick Henry, just to name a few? That could be the link that explains why more HS kids attend church after graduation - just a thought.
The links that I saw said that those attending a Christian college were only 7% more likely to keep their faith.
Yup, if you are gonna lie, might as well lie big
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How thoughtful of you not to ping me. ( sarc)
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