Posted on 05/14/2008 3:29:38 AM PDT by Man50D
Can’t find the teacher’s name anywhere...Have a feeling many complaints have been made against this teacher.
And I defended my son when his 5th grade teacher said he was lying about a "bad deed". Two weeks later, the teacher called and apologized for calling my son "a liar".
No, the father is right. This was a stupid and irresponsible thing for the teacher to do. Of course kids will sometimes say things like this about each other on their own and kids need to learn to deal with that, but parents should have the right to expect that supposedly responsible adults will not be sexualizing and insulting their children in front of other kids, or egging on other kids to slander them in public.
Maybe ... but this kind of crap should not be going on in a classroom. The teacher stepped way outa line surveying the class like like this.
Teacher should be fired.
6th grade girls could be nothing more than fact she was honor roll student who teachers liked.
Pettiness and vindictiveness are very prevalent among girls at this age especially in schools where GOD is the enemy.
Apples and oranges.
My instinct would be to use this as an excellent opportunity to discuss abstinence with my daughter,
I'm sure she'd appreciate the lecture on abstinence, that would really boost her self esteem especially in light of what her classmates already think of her.
Attacking the teacher simply teaches my child to disrespect authority and to manipulate me into acting for her. It weakens my child’s ability to handle life instead of using this to make my child stronger.
Remember, we are talking about an eleven-year-old child. The teacher should have known better.
Hey daddy, your daughter is a slut.
You must be the last to know.
“kids (and lots of adults for that matter) are too quick to be smart asses”
Honestly, my friends and I probably would’ve put down the names of some boys we hated in the ‘most likely to get pregnant’ category when we were in sixth grade - thus proving the unreliability of middle-schoolers to take things seriously. Heck, when I was a senior, we even voted for a guy (who wasn’t gay or a cross-dresser) for prom queen because we thought it was a silly girl-popularity contest.
“In contrast, 85% of children institutionalized for their education in god-less government school leave their faith.”
Good golly, you’re not still trying to pass off this dreck as the truth — the full truth, that is — are you? You’re well aware that the percentage is suspect and that “leave their faith” phrase doesn’t mean anything close to what you want people to think it means.
“What is even **more** distressing is that those young adults who do claim to be Christian hold beliefs that are **not** in any way Christian.”
And where did you get this one? Details? Who exactly determines what is and isn’t a non-Christian belief?
The research data on the success of the public schools in indoctrinating Christian youth with humanistic or neo-pagan worldviews is overwhelming. The Nehemiah Institute’s worldview PEERS test shows that 83-percent of the children from committed Christian families in public schools adopt a secular humanist or Marxist socialist worldview. At the SBC’s 2002 annual meeting, the Southern Baptist Council on Family Life reported, among other disturbing things, that 88-percent of the children raised in evangelical homes leave church at age 18. Barna Research reports that only 9-percent of born-again teens believe in moral absolutes, and more than half believe that Jesus sinned while He was on earth. We believe the fact that 80-percent of Christian families send their children to public schools is a prime reason for this lost legacy.
Over the last 60 years, Christians, leaders and laity alike, have deluded themselves by believing that we can provide our children with more than 14,000 hours of “seat-time” receiving a secular education in the government's schools during the course of 12 years, and that our children will be none the worse for it. And, like self-deceivers in all times and places, we refuse to notice the evidence to the contrary or respond to argument.
Recently George Barna reported that only 4 percent of our teens can be considered evangelical Christians, down from 10 percent in 1995. To be sure, an overwhelming majority of teens say they are “Christian,” but their responses to a few simple questions concerning biblical doctrine clearly demonstrate that, despite what our children say, they are not. These findings aren't unique to Barna. The Nehemiah Institute’s worldview surveys of Christian children, for example, have resulted in similar findings.
Similarly, Dr. Christian Smith, the lead researcher for the National Study of Youth and Religion, a large sociological survey of the religious beliefs of teens between 13 and 17, reaches many of the same conclusions regarding the religious life of teens. According to Dr. Smith, no matter what religion the surveyed youth professed, in general their actual religious outlook was what Dr. Smith characterizes as “Moralistic Therapeutic Deism.” This is a religious worldview featuring an undemanding, distant god, whose only commandment is to be “nice,” and who doesn't become involved in anyone's life except when he is needed to take care of a problem. This religion, according to Smith, conceives of its god as “... a combination of a divine butler and a cosmic therapist.” Rather than being commanded to take up his cross and follow Christ, the Moralistic Therapeutic Deist believes that “... the central goal in life is to be happy and to feel good about oneself.” Unfortunately, this is not merely a problem with teens – increasing numbers of ostensibly Christian adults and some pastors hold these views in whole or in part.
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Years of research by the Nehemiah Institute demonstrate that children educated in Christian schools, for example, score higher on Christian worldview surveys than their government-school counterparts, and that children attending Christian schools with a Christian worldview emphasis do extremely well. Similarly, Dr. Brian Ray's research shows that Christian homeschooled children retain their faith better than children whose parents have institutionalized them in government schools. Nevertheless, the self-deceived Christian refuses to hear and responds by claiming that the influence of their Christian home will somehow overcome the influence of the government's schools.
It could be something as simple as jealousy and wanting to bring the girl down a notch, but, yeah, I’d look into it.
That said, the teacher should not only be fired, but be disciplined and fired.
I think the families may have grounds for a civil suit against the teacher as well.
Exactly. For example, the homliest, nerdiest, most religious girl or something like that-—the one they most want to humiliate.
“Recently George Barna reported that only 4 percent of our teens can be considered evangelical Christians, down from 10 percent in 1995.”
So are you saying that the only “real” Christians are evangelicals?
“The research data on the success of the public schools in indoctrinating Christian youth with humanistic or neo-pagan worldviews is overwhelming. The Nehemiah Institute’s worldview PEERS test shows that 83-percent of the children from committed Christian families in public schools adopt a secular humanist or Marxist socialist worldview.”
Much of this, of course, is speculation and unsupported generalities. It also doesn’t come close to proving your contention that 85 percent of ALL publicly educated kids leave their faith (I assume this would include Jews, Muslims, etc.).
“At the SBC’s 2002 annual meeting, the Southern Baptist Council on Family Life reported, among other disturbing things, that 88-0percent of the children raised in evangelical homes leave church at age 18. Barna Research reports that only 9-percent of born-again teens believe in moral absolutes, and more than half believe that Jesus sinned while He was on earth.”
As you are well aware, this 85 (or 88) percent figure (different sources put it at anywhere between 70 and 90 percent, so who knows what the real number is) refers to youths who do not attend their church or place of worship for at least one year following high school. It does not tell us what percentage of these kids still hold on to their faith during that time but just don’t go to church. You also don’t bother to note that the majority of these people DO return to church or their faith. You seem to want people to believe that 85 percent give up their faith permanently and become lifelong Marxists. And that’s simply not true.
“We BELIEVE (emphasis added) the fact that 80-percent of Christian families send their children to public schools is a prime reason for this lost legacy.”
Well, that settles it. /s
I am not going to chase your red herrings.
They all are, but I get your point, Mr. Lyons.
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