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Army targets 8 bases for immediate barracks repairs after worldwide inspections
Star Tribune ^ | 5/9/08 | LOLITA C. BALDOR

Posted on 05/10/2008 12:05:11 PM PDT by Dawnsblood

The U.S. Army said Friday it will immediately repair barracks at eight facilities in the wake of inspection at bases worldwide.

The inspections were done the last week of April and covered nearly 150,000 barracks rooms. They found that 45 repairs needed priority attention, including new heating and cooling equipment, repainting, mold removal and other work.

Army Secretary Pete Geren has said that $248 million in emergency funds has been appropriated to fix problems found during the inspections. The Army on Friday identified eight installations that will get priority attention: Fort Polk, La.; Fort Gordon, Ga.; Fort Bragg, N.C.; Fort Stewart, Ga.; Fort Lewis, Wash.; the U.S. Military Academy at West Point in New York; Aberdeen Proving Ground in Maryland, and Tripler Army Medical Center in Hawaii.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aberdeen; army; fortbragg; fortgordon; fortlewis; fortpolk; fortstewart; funding; repair; tripler; usma
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1 posted on 05/10/2008 12:05:11 PM PDT by Dawnsblood
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To: Dawnsblood

I’m familiar with some of those problems. Somebody has really dropped the ball on this and needs to be fired. Then there’s the other part, soldiers should be responsible for keeping their quarters maintained and repaired regardless how old the building is.

During the 60s on our shore bases, we were in WW2 barracks (Navy) and just about every base I was at, everything not only had to work but shine like the new morning sun, no excuses.

Conditions at some of the barracks I’ve seen are a disgrace, they look like some run down housing project in the slums. No excuse for lights being out or not working, windows broken and not replaced, doors off the hinges and generally shabby, unsafe and unhealthy conditions. Disgusting. I’ve seen that myself. Made me ashamed with the lack of discipline and pride.

In today’s PC world, it seems like everyone is afraid to MAKE folks take responsibility for themselves. The soldiers on this forum will know what I’m talking about if they have been to any of the posts lately.


2 posted on 05/10/2008 12:17:09 PM PDT by brushcop (B-Co. 2/69 3rd Infantry Div., "Sledgehammer!" ...and keep hammering 'em!)
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To: brushcop

It would never occur to most of today’s armed forces to repair a facility...that’s what base maintenance is for. Funds for housing go to new buildings, no renovating or maintaining low profile transient facilities, and most of this only comes to light when forces deploy and return and reservists are called up, as during peacetime many simply live off base.


3 posted on 05/10/2008 12:34:09 PM PDT by M1911A1
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To: brushcop

My understanding is that these days all repairs must be done by civilian contractors. To use GI’s such as SeaBees would be competing with local contactors. I don’t think that is tolerated.


4 posted on 05/10/2008 12:38:30 PM PDT by B4Ranch
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To: brushcop

“Then there’s the other part, soldiers should be responsible for keeping their quarters maintained and repaired regardless how old the building is.”

Clean yes, but how are soldiers to perform repairs? Do they have AC systems or new doors issued to them?

Every enlisted Army barracks I’ve seen has been pathetic. Not from abuse or lack of cleaning. Pathetic from the general condition of the buildings and their age. I’ve seen buildings condemned by the Air Force re-utilized as-is by the Army.

The Army does not place a priority on the living quarters of their soldiers.


5 posted on 05/10/2008 12:40:10 PM PDT by driftdiver
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To: B4Ranch

“My understanding is that these days all repairs must be done by civilian contractors. To use GI’s such as SeaBees would be competing with local contactors. I don’t think that is tolerated.”

Congress passed a law quite some time ago that any job that can be done by a civilian must be done by a civilian.


6 posted on 05/10/2008 12:41:23 PM PDT by driftdiver
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To: B4Ranch

Not only is it not tolerated, there are no funds, and the commander who let his men chip lead paint or work around anything that might have asbestos or other hazmat would be in deep Kimchi.

The US military is structured to make maximum use of contractors, partly so they can concentrate on warfighting, but also to spread the gravy around.


7 posted on 05/10/2008 12:43:01 PM PDT by M1911A1
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To: brushcop
In the 80’s I lived and worked out of WWII barracks. They were fine, sort of, in a shelter kind of way.

The military is first and foremost a bureaucracy. The iron rule of bureaucracies is to accumulate power and disperse responsibility.

8 posted on 05/10/2008 12:54:02 PM PDT by Leisler
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To: Dawnsblood

I was called back into the Army in 1961 when POTUS Kennedy pushed the panic button on the Berlin Wall. I reported to Fort Lewis, the North Fort. WW II baracks in terrible condition. The furnace spewed soot all over the barracks.
Blew black out the nose continuously. They probably still stand.


9 posted on 05/10/2008 1:16:00 PM PDT by golfisnr1 (Democrats are like roaches - hard to get rid of.)
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To: brushcop

I’m from your time in the Navy. You are exactly correct.
Right now the Navy needs to take a look at the Dam Neck, Virginia base schools.
Respiratory infections are eating up the sailors, the buildings are seldom repaired and the sailors are buying their own cleaning supplies.
In addition there’s no sick call. A sailor has to call a civilian to make an appointment for it to be determine if he needs to be seen by a nurse or a doctor. This information was correct as of about seven months ago. I doubt if the place has changed much.


10 posted on 05/10/2008 1:17:00 PM PDT by em2vn
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To: Dawnsblood

I’ve been retired over 20 years now - but - mold? Way back when we had a self help shop on base, and the unit took care of a lot of repairs. We took care of drywall, paint, most plumbing and lighting and other routine maintenance ourselves. I always had a few extra duty people who “volunteered” their time instead of an Article 15.


11 posted on 05/10/2008 1:17:05 PM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: B4Ranch
My understanding is that these days all repairs must be done by civilian contractors. To use GI’s such as SeaBees would be competing with local contactors. I don’t think that is tolerated.

I don't know about maintaining housing, but construction work is often done by engineer or sea bee units from the reserve forces. It's good training.

At the moment though, the active forces are very "tooth" heavy and don't have enough slots, the levels are Congressionally mandated, to provide for much in the way of support units, and those are mostly deployed or training for their next deployment. The "Tail" is concentrated in the reserve, especially in the Army and Navy, who are the ones living in that substandard housing.

As someone else pointed out, those barracks are either transient, or rarely used facilities. Normally there would be no soldiers living there for long enough to do the repair work themselves.

12 posted on 05/10/2008 1:25:51 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Leisler; driftdiver; B4Ranch; m1911

I hear you concerning contractors and the “system”, I understand that. I’m speaking of basic maintenance, light bulb changing (put in a request for pete’s sake!), security lights repaired, broken windows replaced, doors, etc, WHERE’S THE LEADERSHIP?? GET ‘R DONE men!

New barracks is another ball game, not talking about new buildings, talking about keeping the old stuff livable, SAFE and halfway healthy, latrines functioning, CLEAN quarters, it doesn’t have to be new to be clean.

And too, we’re not talking about everyone, not all units were that way but there are some deplorable conditions on some of these bases but some of these things are controllable by the soldiers themselves, I’m not a crusader on a mission, I was being shown these things by some soldiers over the past few years, we were discussing problems (causes and effects) and how to solve them.


13 posted on 05/10/2008 1:26:20 PM PDT by brushcop (B-Co. 2/69 3rd Infantry Div., "Sledgehammer!" ...and keep hammering 'em!)
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To: R. Scott
But you were in those barracks for an extended period, and “owned” them. These are likely transient or temporary quarters assigned to reservists or others returning from or training for deployment, not for permanent party. The Barracks I've seen on Ft. Hood all look pretty decent, even the ones which appear to date back to when West Fort Hood was Killeen Air Force Base. Although I have not been inside any of them to know for sure. (There are Air Force units in some of those old barracks, either as barracks or as the units office space. They have a laser guided bomb in front the latter. :) )
14 posted on 05/10/2008 1:31:10 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: driftdiver
Clean yes, but how are soldiers to perform repairs? Do they have AC systems or new doors issued to them?

None of our barracks has air conditioning. That's what the windows are for.

I’ve seen buildings condemned by the Air Force re-utilized as-is by the Army.

Uh well, that's the Air Force. I haven't seen such barracks, but the USAF has extremely high living standards. Those of us in the Army (and even some in the Air Force itself), call airmen Civilians in Uniform. When I was in Pensacola and lived in Navy barracks for 5 months - they were basically hotel rooms - the Air Force would have considered it substandard living conditions, if it wasn't for the big screen TV in their CQ.

THAT is the major reason why I didn't join the Chair Force. The Army is exactly the right branch for me. Although the USAF seems to have all the good-looking females :-)

15 posted on 05/10/2008 1:36:28 PM PDT by tlj18 (Governor Sarah Palin for Vice President!)
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To: M1911A1
as during peacetime many simply live off base.

Uh..I sure wish I could live off-base. I fantasize about that. The unit I am with - you can live off-base, but you have to pay 100%. You an unauthorized to live off-base unless there is no room on-base, and there is room. It does save money. The Army would have to pay me around $2500 a month extra in BAH to live off-base here.

16 posted on 05/10/2008 1:43:17 PM PDT by tlj18 (Governor Sarah Palin for Vice President!)
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To: tlj18
In my mind, the main reason to house everyone on base is if the area of the post is threatening. Otherwise, you should have the option to live off-base, I think. It helps the surrounding economy, and motivates people to stay in the military. Imagine essentially living with a roommate in small bedroom for 20+ years? Being married in the military is so advantageous, it seems almost illegal (speaking of living space). A married E-2 has vastly better living conditions than an unmarried E-6.

But there is also the thing that Army has a very limited budget - only $100 billion a year. Plus, we exist to fight our nation's wars, and not to lead comfortable lives.

17 posted on 05/10/2008 1:51:19 PM PDT by tlj18 (Governor Sarah Palin for Vice President!)
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To: tlj18
THAT is the major reason why I didn't join the Chair Force.

Because you don't like air conditioning?

18 posted on 05/10/2008 1:54:41 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: Doe Eyes

Actually, I don’t!


19 posted on 05/10/2008 2:01:22 PM PDT by tlj18 (Governor Sarah Palin for Vice President!)
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To: driftdiver

Housing wasn’t always the best, but the Army did, overall, a pretty good job when I served.

I ETS’d in 95 to go to college, and went back in the Army in ‘97 having took all I could take of modern “liberals”. Anyway, I noticed a distinct downturn in the level of policing up litter on various bases.

I attribute this in some part because congress cut back defense spending so drastically and ill-advisedly in the late 80s and early 90s. (Because the “cold war” was over, ha ha)

Whole swaths of tasks formerly performed by soldiers, up to and including flag detail, were left wanting because their weren’t enough troops! As deployments and tasking increased 2 or 3 fold, civilian contractors were brought in at considerable expense for all kinds of stuff.

Incidentally, this is the impetus behind the lefties abhorrence of firms like Halliburton and others. The lefties don’t have a clue is the sad part - very few civilian firms have the personnel, experience and funding to operate in a combat zone. KBR, Dyncorps, and Halliburton are just about the only ones, period. Ironically the civilian contractors do the same job that soldiers once did, but at far higher costs. So blame congress.

For my part, the barracks weren’t always the greatest but the Army really did address “quality of life” issues for single and married soldiers with the best they had. Commanders and NCOs did a good job - what’s happening now is likely an issue of manpower - if barracks are left unattended and unoccupied because of deployments then that is part of the problem.


20 posted on 05/10/2008 3:11:50 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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