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House passes bill (HR 4279) that will let the RIAA take away your home for downloading music
http://www.boingboing.net/ ^ | May 9, 2008 | Cory Doctorow

Posted on 05/09/2008 12:06:07 PM PDT by JerseyHighlander

House passes bill that will let the RIAA take away your home for downloading music

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Glenn sez,
I was just alerted that the House of Reps has passed HR 4279, with the lovely name, PRO-IP (Prioritizing Resources and Organization for Intellectual Property Act of 2008). Like the doublespeak PATRIOT Act and Peacekeeper missiles, PRO-IP puts local law enforcement in a position to demand the forfeiture in criminal proceedings of stuff used to violate copyright. Which means that instead of the RIAA simply trying to collect fines, they can also incite local authorities to collect all the computers and related gear that was used to pirate.

This isn't a judgment on my part as to whether piracy is good or bad (I think copyright deserves to be protected through reasonable methods), but I am always horrified when civil enforcement morphs into criminal enforcement. Conservatives and liberals should be up in arms alike that local prosecutors and/or police could intervene as they desire in essentially a private affair arranged by the RIAA, and permanently seize thousands or tens of thousands of dollars in private property in addition to any civil penalties.

If this bill is passed in its present form by the Senate and signed, that means there's no more pro forma RIAA lawsuit payoffs, because if you wind up settling with the RIAA, you could still lose all your stuff in addition to any fee you paid them.

This is particularly irksome in light of the MSN Music shutdown, about which the EFF has written a strong and powerful letter. It is increasingly likely a normal person could have purchased music legally from an online site, burned it to an ordinary audio CD, and in the right set of circumstances be branded a pirate because the original "granting" authority no longer exists to prove that the consumer was a legitimate purchasers.

The more the law is constructed to sweep in folks who are absolutely observant of it, the more we need broader protections.

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TOPICS: Music/Entertainment
KEYWORDS: 110th; genx; mpaaprivacy; privacy; riaa; ronpaul
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To: cva66snipe
But if you had sold him your origional DVD then what?

Selling the original DVD is no different from selling your car or your old sofa. You bought it, so you have the right to resell it. Selling the copy is not a right. My suggestion was that giving away a copy is also not your right, because it deprives the artist of royalties from a possible legitimate sale.

Their next claim allowed to become law of the land will be you aren’t buying the DVD but rather the right to watch it nonsense.

This will never happen, or it it did, it would be shot down by the courts. They might as well argue that you don't really own the car that Ford sells you, but only the right to drive and ride in it.

81 posted on 05/10/2008 11:41:25 PM PDT by giotto
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To: giotto
If I make a copy of a movie and give it to my brother, is that Fair Use?

Of course not. It wouldn't be a personal back up copy at that point, you would be distributing copies. That's completely unprotected.

82 posted on 05/11/2008 6:14:38 AM PDT by MichiganMan (So you bought that big vehicle and now want to whine about how much it costs to fill it? Seriously?)
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To: giotto

Better start reading software user agreements closer then.


83 posted on 05/11/2008 10:20:10 AM PDT by cva66snipe (Three Blind Rats. Three Blind Rats, See How They Run. See How They Run. Hillbomacain)
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To: Mr. Silverback
OK, what did you do about them at the time they were applied to drug dealers and mobsters?

Usually I write my representatives. I don't care who such powers are applied to, since once a government gets a power it's going to use it on everyone eventually.

84 posted on 05/12/2008 5:55:41 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: auboy
Is a list available of RIAA political contributions?

Open Secrets is a wonderful place.

85 posted on 05/12/2008 5:58:49 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat

Can you answer the qestions I posed to dcwusmc in post 72?


86 posted on 05/12/2008 6:06:23 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (It's not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.)
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To: Mr. Silverback

I came into a realization about this stuff in the mid 80s because of the drug war. And, no, people who support our loss of rights aren’t necessarily evil. Often they think they’re doing what is needed to protect America, they just forget that an America without rights isn’t worth protecting in the first place.


87 posted on 05/12/2008 6:19:21 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: giotto
This will never happen, or it it did, it would be shot down by the courts.

I doubt it these days. The MPAA likes to play both sides of the issue, alternately stating it's licensed material or a purchased product depending on which rights the consumer is trying to exercise. They want to avoid consumer protection laws that come with a purchased product and various rights of the people that apply to copyright.

88 posted on 05/12/2008 6:25:58 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Clump

I just sent mine a pointed message. He’s usually pretty good, but on this one I’m extremely disappointed in him.


89 posted on 05/12/2008 6:59:33 AM PDT by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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