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1 posted on 05/07/2008 8:42:51 AM PDT by Hillary'sMoralVoid
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The sad thing is, Persians are historical allies of the Jews. I hate the fact that the Moon-god cult has turned allies of the Jewish people into enemies. I believe the sons of Ishmael will always have emnity towards the Sons of Isaac. However, it’s tragic that the descendants of Cyrus think they can destroy Israel.


2 posted on 05/07/2008 8:45:24 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople
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Some Old Book I read seem to hint Persia was someday going to attack the Chosen Ones?


3 posted on 05/07/2008 8:45:32 AM PDT by kcm.org (Now unto Him)
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I have no doubt that there are some Iranian leaders who would let the missiles fly and take whatever counterattack or other consequences came, such is their fanaticism.

I hope there are enough sane leaders in Iran to stop that.

I also am waiting to see the West get serious about this issue, but dowbt I will see much timely action. I hope i am wrong about that.


4 posted on 05/07/2008 8:49:45 AM PDT by cvq3842
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“Not only would there be direct damage to Islam’s holy places, the fallout would remain for years, making these places untenable for a very long time.”

Now, that’s what I like. Hit their “holy places” and Islam will be like a rudderless ship — no longer effective.


5 posted on 05/07/2008 8:50:13 AM PDT by 353FMG (Don't make the mistake to think that Government is a Friend of the People)
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It would be impossible to obliterate Isreal in a nuclear attack without inflicting serious, direct collateral damage to some of the holiest sites in Islam. But we've only begun to address the results of nuclear detonations.

Since when has inflicting damage on a shrine or other Muslim 'Holy Site' ever been a consideration within Islam? Seems to me that they utilize Mosques for aid stations and sniper postions as well as for storing weapons caches.

They only really get outraged when a non-Muslim inflicts damage or disrespects a Muslim Holy Site.

I hope that the Palestinians realize that, just as the other Arab states are willing to fight to the last Palestinian, that Iran would not hesitate to create massive casualties among their population in any attack on Israel.

6 posted on 05/07/2008 8:52:34 AM PDT by Tallguy (Tagline is offline till something better comes along...)
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This whole article presupposes a rationality on the part of Islamofascists that does not exist.
7 posted on 05/07/2008 8:57:34 AM PDT by HardStarboard (Take No Prisoners - We're Out Of Qurans)
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Why the Entire Middle East Should Fear Iran Attacking Israel

Post Iranian attack on Israel map

10 posted on 05/07/2008 9:12:33 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Do we really want Huma answering the White House phone at 3 AM?)
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“Iran seems intent on developing and using weapons and delivery systems to destroy Israel, but what would be the result?

A Pyrrhic victory at best, in other words, one as costly to the victor as to the victim. This is true even if Israel never fired a return volley. Why?”

Because directly attacking Israel is a rouse, a red herring.

The FIRST target of Iran’s nuclear intimidation is OTHER ARAB COUNTRIES. Why? Because they have little to no ABM defenses and no nuclear response of their own.


11 posted on 05/07/2008 9:19:33 AM PDT by rjp2005 (Lord have mercy on us)
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The author makes several good points about a nuclear strike on Israel causing alot of collateral damage on Arab and Muslim sites. However I believe that the effects of the EMP would likely be pretty much limited to Israel as any nuke would probably be detonated at a low altitude which limits the distance an EMP can travel.

(Excerpt from http://www.fas.org/nuke/intro/nuke/emp.htm) :

HEMP can pose a serious threat to military systems when even a single high-altitude nuclear explosion occurs. In principle, even a new nuclear proliferator could execute such a strike. In practice, however, it seems unlikely that such a state would use one of its scarce warheads to inflict damage which must be considered secondary to the primary effects of blast, shock, and thermal pulse. Furthermore, a HEMP attack must use a relatively large warhead to be effective (perhaps on the order of one mega-ton), and new proliferators are unlikely to be able to construct such a device, much less make it small enough to be lofted to high altitude by a ballistic missile or space launcher. Finally, in a tactical situation such as was encountered in the Gulf War, an attack by Iraq against Coalition forces would have also been an attack by Iraq against its own communications, radar, missile, and power systems. EMP cannot be confined to only one “side” of the burst.

Source Region Electro-magnetic Pulse [SREMP] is produced by low-altitude nuclear bursts. An effective net vertical electron current is formed by the asymmetric deposition of electrons in the atmosphere and the ground, and the formation and decay of this current emits a pulse of electromagnetic radiation in directions perpendicular to the current. The asymmetry from a low-altitude explosion occurs because some electrons emitted downward are trapped in the upper millimeter of the Earth’s surface while others, moving upward and outward, can travel long distances in the atmosphere, producing ionization and charge separation. A weaker asymmetry can exist for higher altitude explosions due to the density gradient of the atmosphere.

Within the source region, peak electric fields greater than 10 5 V/m and peak magnetic fields greater than 4,000 A/m can exist. These are much larger than those from HEMP and pose a considerable threat to military or civilian systems in the affected region. The ground is also a conductor of electricity and provides a return path for electrons at the outer part of the deposition region toward the burst point. Positive ions, which travel shorter distances than electrons and at lower velocities, remain behind and recombine with the electrons returning through the ground. Thus, strong magnetic fields are produced in the region of ground zero. When the nuclear detonation occurs near to the ground, the SREMP target may not be located in the electromagnetic far field but may instead lie within the electro-magnetic induction region. In this regime the electric and magnetic fields of the radiation are no longer perpendicular to one another, and many of the analytic tools with which we understand EM coupling in the simple plane-wave case no longer apply. The radiated EM field falls off rapidly with increasing distance from the deposition region (near to the currents the EMP does not appear to come from a point source). As a result, the region where the greatest damage can be produced is from about 3 to 8 km from ground zero.

In this same region structures housing electrical equipment are also likely to be severely damaged by blast and shock. According to the third edition of The Effects of Nuclear Weapons, by S. Glasstone and P. Dolan, “the threat to electrical and electronic systems from a surface-burst EMP may extend as far as the distance at which the peak overpressure from a 1-megaton burst is 2 pounds per square inch.”

Of course, as another poster noted, the Middle East is not a place in which logic reigns supreme, so ...

15 posted on 05/07/2008 9:35:10 AM PDT by UpstateNYer
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Save yourself a lot of time and energy on this one. Read up on the attack that is coming (and it is coming) and how it ends. Ezekiel got a sneak preview. (Chapters 38-39).


18 posted on 05/07/2008 9:43:59 AM PDT by BigFinn
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid
Not only would there be direct damage to Islam's holy places, the fallout would remain for years, making these places untenable for a very long time.

Although I agree with most of the analysis, I question these assertions.
Nuclear weapons technology has evolved over the last 60 years. Obviously, making an enemy's territory unliveable long term is not a good strategy; well, maybe islam's case might be an exception. But I digress.

As Chernobyl taught us, planning based on ignorance and fear serves no one well. All the immediate Chernobyl area (thousands of square miles) as well as portions of Russia, Belarus, Ukraine and Moldova, Turkish Thrace, Macedonia, Serbia, Croatia, Bulgaria, Greece, Romania, Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia, Austria, Hungary, the Czech Republic and the Slovak Republic, The Netherlands, Belgium, Slovenia, Poland, Switzerland, Germany, Italy, Ireland, France (including Corsica[18]) the United Kingdom and the Isle of Man would be "unliveable" today.

Obviously, that is not the case.

20 posted on 05/07/2008 9:58:41 AM PDT by Publius6961 (You're Government, it's not your money, and you never have to show a profit.)
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Israel might go for a global economic hit to ensure that the rest of the world responds to a nuke hit from Iran.

All the oil fields and oil infrastructures in all the Arab States & Iran should be targets to be wiped out permanently. This would get the entire world involved in the crisis without initially affecting that many civilians. Ofcourse it would be a plus if the destruction could be blamed on Iran. The world economic crisis that would follow would force the world to finally react or face ruin.


26 posted on 05/07/2008 3:19:15 PM PDT by Joan Kerrey
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