Senate GOP Plans to Unveil Tough New Immigration Bills

Talk Gwinnett ^ | 03-05-2008

[Aut Pax Aut Bellum]

[berdie]

later

[papasmurf]

"If McCain endorsed the Senate package, that could "create a platform for McCain to look tough on immigration, create distance from Ted Kennedy and erect a shield around the amnesty charge"

La razón que lo existe, sí, no?

[SatinDoll]

PING

[counterpunch]

There’s a vote John McCain won’t be around for.

[wardaddy]

If Sessions is behind it, it’s probably an improvement.

(?)

[VictoryGal]

Yes — an ineffectual gesture.

And the BEST case scenario for Pres in 08 wants to sell us COMPLETELY up the river. Sad days for US sovereignty.

[ecomcon]

Now that they know the bills won't pass, they put up what the public wants so that they can posture on it for the election.

Bastards.

My thoughts exactly. Traitors all.

[American Quilter]

I said: "They are meaningless unless they are enforced. We've had laws against illegal immigration on the books for 20 years, but the federal government has no interest in enforcing them."

You said: "Your comment is self-refuting. It *CANNOT BE ENFORCED AT ALL*, since it currently is not in the law to do those things."

Since my statement referred to laws already on the books, it is not "self-refuting". Nor is is "simplistic". Laws are either enforced or they're not. If the laws currently on the books were enforced, the problem of illegal immigration would be considerably reduced. Since the federal government, including the current administration and all three presidential candidates, has made it clear that they support illegal immigration (McCain's belated promise to "secure the border" is in direct conflict with his previous actions, and I believe is merely political expedience), I see no reason to believe that additional laws will solve the problem. They are meaningless unless they are enforced.

The point on which we agree is that our hope on this issue lies with congress. But not the current congress. Until we have a conservative majority in congress, the government will not act effectively against illegal immigration. That's why my political donations go to conservative candidates such as Capt. Duncan D. Hunter in California, and Bob Schaffer in Colorado.

[CottonBall]

Senate Republicans are set to announce Wednesday the hardest-hitting package of immigration enforcement measures seen yet

I don't believe it. HR4437, passed by the House several years ago, was the best piece of illegal immigration legislation. And the Republican-controlled Senate refused to even acknowledge it - and instead voted on McCain-Kennedy. This is too little, too late - by many of the same 'Republican' Senators.

[CottonBall]

As usual, the Republicans finally grow a pair when they are out of power and in the minority, where they are more comfortable. If it fails, they can say “Oh gee, we tried.

You are so right. (see my tagline)

[CottonBall]

“McCain promised to secure the border first “

Which is more than any Democrat will give you.

While this is true, neither McCain nor a Democrat will keep this promise. Election year pandering.

[CottonBall]

read the reports on it myself and it supports what I said. McCain promised to secure the border first. When you find the direct quote it will back what I say.

Before what, though? Before implementing a McCain-Kennedy-type massive amnesty, where each illegal can bring over EVERY member of their extended family? A secure border won't do any good at that point.

[CottonBall]

The GOP owned the presidency, both houses of congress, and a somewhat balanced scotus, and the illegals and borders situation is worse than it’s ever been. Either (1.) the stupid party has finally synchronized into full, unmitigated, quintessential stupid, or (2.) that was the plan.

So true. And I don't care which of the two options is the case - they're both nauseating.

[CottonBall]

Nice sign.

I do have one small correction - McCain isn’t even interested in conservatives w/r this election. He’s pandering to another group.

[WOSG]

Where’s the direct quote?

“A secure border won’t do any good at that point.”

So you *dont* care about a secure border?!?

McCain said back in January that the 2007 bill wouldnt come to him, its dead. Did he say anything different?
Unless you have a quote, its the same old: He will secure the borders first, a process that will take years.

[WOSG]

I don't believe it. HR4437, passed by the House several years ago, was the best piece of illegal immigration legislation. And the Republican-controlled Senate refused to even acknowledge it - and instead voted on McCain-Kennedy. This is too little, too late - by many of the same 'Republican' Senators.

The Senator who ignored it was Specter. The Senator who stopped their comprehensive alternative was Sessions.

This bill proposal is by Sen Sessions. It is real and genuine, as is his position on it. Its chance of passage is another story.

[CottonBall]

McCain said back in January that the 2007 bill wouldnt come to him, its dead. Did he say anything different?

Are you speaking of McCain-Kenndy? (BTW, he did say he would vote for that one again, after side-stepping the question over and over by saying it wouldn't show up again. I think that shows his opinions on illegal immigration haven't changed one bit.)

And, yes, of course, I care about a secure border. You are taking my statement completely out of context. But 1) just because McCain said once in an election year that he was for one doesn't mean I believe it. And 2) with a McCain-Kenndy type amnesty, securing the border wouldn't undo the damage done.

[TLI]

McCain, along with the Democratic presidential candidates Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York and Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois, has backed giving illegal immigrants some form of legal status, which conservatives consider "amnesty."

Golly, only because it is.

ANY form of allowing an alien to stay for five years legally, be it guest worker, student visas, etc will, under the current immigration law, allow for the application for Citizenship. That is why you see all these "guest worker programs" set for five years or a renewal of the first visa with a second so the two will total five years.