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Blu-ray hits bumps in the road to HD market dominance
Ars Technica ^ | May 5 2008 | Nate Anderson

Posted on 05/06/2008 11:04:35 AM PDT by Notary Sojac

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To: Mr. K
How can Blu-Ray be higher def than HDTV?

HDTV is 1080i, BD is 1080p. the "i" stands for interpolated- it "guesses" 1080 lines. BD is a true 1080.

The difference is you can go right up to the screen and it looks like a photograph. On my 52" LCD, I could see that Dave Matthews needed to floss his teeth.

HDTV is pixellated if you walk right up to it. Not with BD.

41 posted on 05/06/2008 12:43:40 PM PDT by zeebee
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To: PetroniusMaximus

I still have my VHS player and since I have a nice collection of vintage movies and hardly anything being made nowadays interests me at all, I think I will wait until the Leafs win their next cup (41 years and counting) before I invest in another here-today-gone-tomorrow technofix and spend $$$$ replacing everything for the third time.

Enough is enough.


42 posted on 05/06/2008 12:43:43 PM PDT by Appleby
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Kevin Cronin is straight, but the older he gets, the gayer he looks. Short, skinny dudes with gray hair wearing designer clothes never look straight. LOL...


43 posted on 05/06/2008 12:47:31 PM PDT by RockinRight (Supreme Court Justice Fred Thompson. The next best place for Fred.)
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To: Publius6961
No one is talking about it, but the overhead of BlueRay (Microsoft, Sony and Hollywood) killed it before it had a chance.

HD-DVD had DRM too. There's no way Hollywood would have supported a format without it. BTW, while Microsoft's codec is used in both formats, Microsoft wrote the interactivity software for HD-DVD vs. Java in Blu-Ray.

44 posted on 05/06/2008 12:54:12 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Mr. Jeeves
To me the big problem with Blu-ray adoption is not the player, it's that too many of the greatest movies haven't been released on Blu-ray yet

Blazing Saddles is out on Blu-Ray, 'nuff said. :)

45 posted on 05/06/2008 12:56:20 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: ctdonath2
Plasma panels have a finite (improving, but still finite) lifespan

Ya, 50,000 hours just isn't enough.

At 5 hours a day of TV, thats a mear 27 years.

46 posted on 05/06/2008 1:00:31 PM PDT by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: Blackyce

“But eventually is not today.”

Sure ain’t.

I think a competing standard would have hastened better designs and lower prices.


47 posted on 05/06/2008 1:03:24 PM PDT by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: Publius6961
No one is talking about it, but the overhead of BlueRay (Microsoft, Sony and Hollywood) killed it before it had a chance.

Microsoft was in the HD DVD camp. Not Blu Ray.

48 posted on 05/06/2008 1:04:03 PM PDT by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: HamiltonJay
This seperating out the PS3 from dedicated players to prove something about sales is idiotic.

Well, opinions are like --- well, bellybuttons; everybody's got one.

Me? I think that game playing is idiotic. As is the necessity of buying a "game console", whether I like it or not, in order to get "improved resolution" image on a large-screen TV.

Just saying.

49 posted on 05/06/2008 1:07:53 PM PDT by Publius6961 (You're Government, it's not your money, and you never have to show a profit.)
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To: Phantom Lord

I saw a plasma display suffer burn-in in one day flat.
Kinda soured the idea of getting one.


50 posted on 05/06/2008 1:13:20 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (The average piece of junk is more meaningful than our criticism designating it so. - Ratatouille)
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To: longtermmemmory
The content is just not there.

You're right. I would prefer to watch concerts on BD but even the available music is mostly not my type.

BD is really just for larger screen TV's. I don't think there is a detectable difference on a less than 40" screen.

51 posted on 05/06/2008 1:13:48 PM PDT by zeebee
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To: Notary Sojac

A piece of advice if I may offer...
The Black Friday sales are your best bet to find an HDTV at a good price - save your money and wait for the opportune moment.
My wife and I did just that a year and a half ago - we set aside $1000 over the year for an HDTV. We checked online in late November for the Black Friday ads, and then went into the stores the week before to actually check out the models that would be available. We got up early, stood in line for maybe half an hour, got into the store and out in 20 mins, went home and hooked up a 51in rear-projection unit that gets crystal clear pictures. We then went to breakfast - it was still early enough that the restaurant manager was just unlocking the door as we arrived. Total price, tax and breakfast included, was less than $900.
- We paid less for a large screen HDTV than a lot of people are paying for 35in CRTs. I got the PS3 for Blue-Ray and HD audio - looks and sounds great and plays the reg DVDs clearer than my Zenith high scan DVD player ever did.


52 posted on 05/06/2008 1:14:32 PM PDT by BlueNgold (... Feed the tree!)
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To: antiRepublicrat
"My first DVD player probably cost more than my PS3 if you count inflation. VCRs were pretty cheap at the time. That's just how the next generation works. I remember when a 42" flat screen cost over $20,000, and now they're under $900."

Purchased by first VCR back in 1980, paid $820.00 on sale. The sucker was made almost entirely out of metal less the mechanical knobs to change the channels. (damn thing weighed about 75 Lbs.)

I'll skip the blue ray and hold out as long as possible, I should be okay for at least a couple of years.

My plain old DVD player works just fine.

53 posted on 05/06/2008 1:22:56 PM PDT by #1CTYankee (That's right, I have no proof. So what of it??)
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To: Publius6961

You don’t need the game machine fine, but when the player with the built in game machine is the same price or hundreds of dollars less, most folks will buy the one with the game machine built in.

Lets face it, BD is sony’s baby... PS3 is Sony’s baby... if I am looking at players, please explain to me why should I pay more money for a dedicated player, when I can buy a player made by Sony for the same price of less with a game system built in?

Even if you aren’t into games, when its cheaper by hundreds of dollars for the same function, its going to be the highest seller.

Like I said before, seperating out PS3 when talking about BD player sales is nonsense. Even if I had no desire for a PS3... if I’m looking at a PS3 for $399 and some other BD player, that offers no more features for $499 or $699.. I’m buying the $399 one even if I have no need of the game system.

Its simple economics. HD-DVD played that stupid game of pulling out PS3 numbers and trying to argue they didn’t matter... and of course it was complete BS... and now HD-DVD players are doorstops. (They effectively were even before they were even released, can’t believe Toshiba allowed itself to be played by MS so blatantly, but they did... and now there are a lot of expensive door stops out there)


54 posted on 05/06/2008 1:31:30 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: ctdonath2
I'll stick with my 27" CRT and Netflix DVDs for now, thanks.

I still have my 36" CRT upstairs. Watching Blu-ray movies on the 65" DLP in the basement is a totally different experience. More akin to 'the movies' but with none of the annoyances. Once you have it, there is no going back.

55 posted on 05/06/2008 1:31:42 PM PDT by Eddeche
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To: Notary Sojac

At current prices for standalone players and Blu-ray product -— most consumers are wise to avoid the “Bleeding Edge” of a new technology they really don’t need bad enough or that provides sufficient benefit to justify the cost....

Once player price comes down, and selection and cost of Blu-ray product make it feasible -— market may develop.


56 posted on 05/06/2008 1:50:59 PM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: Notary Sojac

bump


57 posted on 05/06/2008 1:52:34 PM PDT by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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To: Incorrigible; ADemocratNoMore; advertising guy; aft_lizard; AJMaXx; Alice in Wonderland; ...
Pinging the HDTV list..special thanks to Incorrigible for his ping to me.

HDTV pings.

58 posted on 05/06/2008 3:08:40 PM PDT by Las Vegas Dave ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." Hillary Clinton, June 2004.)
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To: Gay State Conservative
The first blu ray disc I bought after getting the PS3 was a BBC production called "Planet Earth".The word "stunning" doesn't even begin to describe it.Soon,I'll be getting a National Geographic disc about the Serengeti.

I bought the HD-DVD version of Planet Earth and agree with you completely. Spending $26 on that HD-DVD boxed set made the purchase of my almost immediately obsolete HD-DVD player worthwile. DeepDiscountDVD has slashed prices on HD-DVD to the point where I'm tempted to buy another HD-DVD player to keep in storage until this one wears out. I'm holding off on Blu-Ray for a while...
59 posted on 05/06/2008 3:21:34 PM PDT by philled (Rest in Peace, Sgt Merlin German. www.merlinsmiracles.com)
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To: AmericaUnited
With $4/gallon gas and $9/ticket trips to the movie theater my wife and I had no trouble plunking down the money for a PS3. Blu-Ray movies on our HDTV are quite nice, as are the HDTV channels.

The reason Blu-Ray quality may exceed HDTV is because HDTV channels often employ lossy compression data streams in order to squeeze more channels through a single satellite connection. Blu-Ray always delivers maximum quality.

BTW, Blu-Ray players feature support for HDMI cables, which carry both high res audio and video in the same cable. This eliminates the rat's nest of wires that we were all too familiar with in the DVD days.

60 posted on 05/06/2008 3:30:47 PM PDT by The Duke (I have met the enemy, and he is named 'Apathy'!)
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