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To: mountainbunny

Your neighbor won’t report you for parking your car. He’s going to say he saw you abusing your children. So you will not be being investigated for parking your car wrong, you will be being investigated for whatever abuse your neighbor claimed you committed.

And of course, you did not. And you will say you did not.

The neighbor will have reported anonymously through a tip line, and the CPS will take your kids “because you can’t take chances, we have to get to the bottom of this”. They will only keep your child because “it’s the only way to ensure the child feels free to talk about the abuse”, and they will use questioning which is designed to “draw out any possible abuse your child has experienced”.

And you will have a hearing in 2 weeks, and at least you will get to personally testify at the hearing unlike in this case. But the question was, when you go to that hearing, how will you prove you are the parents, if the judge decides that your marriage license and birth certificate for the child is not sufficient proof.

Too many people think the truth is a defense against having your children removed by the CPS.

So when they hear of a case like this, they think “I never abuse my children, so I have nothing to fear”. And they look at the people being accused, and say “People who abuse kids should lose their kids”.

And when the CPS comes and takes your child away (not a personal “you” here), YOU will be the one that people say “I have no fear, because I don’t abuse kids. People who abuse kids like that SHOULD get them taken away”.

In this case, I will not be surprised at all if there is at least one family who, other than being a member of the FLDS compound, meets none of the criteria you mentioned as being a reason to be treated badly.

They will be a family who has other family members who know the kid and haven’t been convicted of abusing kids. They will have pictures of the kids. They will have signed birth certificates. They will have the report of the on-site doctor. They will have given their names and the names of the children.

As I said, because they live in the FLDS compound they won’t have neighbors unaffected by the accusations. But that’s just an argument for guilt by association,and the government judging people based on the company they keep.

Obviously, we aren’t talking about proving kids who went through college, we are talking about the 2-12 year-olds.

The fact is that the CPS has a policy which leads to taking non-abused children away. They do so because they THINK there is a chance of abuse, and want to take no chances. And because of the world view of many CPS workers, they tend to think abuse is rampant in the families of very religious people, and home-schoolers, and others who don’t live “normal” lives.

In this case, there was most certainly abuse, and very likely both forced and statutory rape, although I add that I have not seen proof yet of this so it’s just my opinion.

But I also think that there will be some who will be blameless, other than to have lived in the compound and professed a membership in the FLDS church.


315 posted on 05/09/2008 5:11:02 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Sigh.
And this happens all the time, right?
See, the problem is, it doesn’t.

CPS doesn’t routinely take children with no evidence.

In this case, there is evidence (pregnant girls, missing teen boys). Hard to fake abused and pregnant underage girls, don’t you think?

Does CPS ever make a mistake? I’m sure they do. They are human, after all.

Are they gunning for the children of America, to take them away from their lawful parents? There is no evidence that they are. You have presented absolutely no evidence that they are, because there is none.

“What if” scenarios that don’t happen in real life weaken your case, not strengthen it. In real life, there is a penalty for false reporting. In real life, they don’t take children without some credible evidence. In real life, you can’t point to many if any cases where there was absolutely no evidence and CPS swooped in to take children.


317 posted on 05/09/2008 9:02:16 AM PDT by mountainbunny
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Regarding your #315 and that “at least one family who, other than being a member of the FLDS compound, meets none of the criteria you mentioned as being a reason to be treated badly.”

The key is “being a member of the FLDS compound.”

For your imaginary family, it’s a doggone shame that they kept their children in that nest of pedophilia, surrounded by the men and women who taught *their* children to lie about their names, ages and family relationships, where they appear to be part of the same household.

Also, your scenario is more simplistic that reality. CPS went to the home to interview “Sarah.” The leaders of the cult denied that there was anyone named Sarah and offered to let the social workers interview other young girls. Those young girls said that there were several Sarah’s and that one had disappeared. They also confirmed that there was active sexual abuse going on.

Then, and only then, were the children removed from the cult compound.


322 posted on 05/09/2008 8:20:35 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://www.LifeEthics.org (I have a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.))
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