“My Words . . . Never Cease” Revelations... do not add or take away?

LDS.org ^ | April 2008 | Elder Jeffrey R. Holland

[sevenbak]

MHGinTN, I will pray for you as well, that your heart will be softened.

That you don't see the similarities is equally frustrating. I freely acknowledge some similarities in the Latin, but you didn't even look at the dozens of characters from hieratic that are close.

Also, did you know where Latin originated from? Latin can trace it's roots all the way back to ancient Phoenician, which was an ancient derivative of Egyptian.

Here's the one I was looking for originally. I dont' expect you to see any similarities given your frame of reference, but WOW, they are sure there, and they are 1000 years removed, both time and place from what Moroni wrote.

FYI, these are ancient Egyptian grave texts.

Now, that all said, none of this really matters. My faith is based on an answer from God to me. I cannot deny the sweetness of His spirit to my soul, nor should I. I also cannot deny the miracles I have witnessed, the lives changed, souls cankered in sin and sorrow brought to the grace of Christ, where their guilt was swept away and they had a completely different life, including my own.

Nor can I deny the wonderful things I have witnessed. These things are sacred to me, but I share them with you in this forum a bit trepidatiously. I have seen the overwhelmingly gravity and physics defying results of angelic protection in behalf of a servant of the Lord. My own life was spared due to the whisperings of the spirit to my mind, warning me to move immediately. There are many others, which I won't go into.

Know this, that I cannot deny what I have been given, it is a gift, and I hold it sacred. I'm sorry that you feel you continually need to belittle my faith, that is your right, but I will continue to do what I do for the reasons I've listed.

Have a great day.

Sevenbak.

[MHGinTN]

Mormon smoke and mirrors. The chart is illustrative of EXACT duplication of the Latin Shorthand which Smith claimed were ‘reformed Egyptian’. Your effort to infer from similarities but not exact duplication is duly noted ... deceit is not a pretty exhibition, seven. [BTW, have you found any Jewish RELIGIOUS documents written in Egyptian alphabet? Hard, isn’t it!]

[sevenbak]

Hard? Hardly. I guess you missed this thread.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2012873/posts

[MHGinTN]

Wow, sophisticated smoke and mirrors!
From your link (a closed thread for Mormon's, apparently, since I was admonished for posting the chart to that thread): "Among the writings included in the religious text is a paganized version of Psalms 20:2-6. Here, then, we have a Bible passage, in its Aramaic translation, written in late Egyptian characters."
I find it interesting that 1) you cite 'paganized passages of OT as if they are worthy of equal weight, and 2) you have completely ignored the heretic time period as being hundreds of years 'after the imaginary Lehi' and further tried to obfuscate the exact copying of Latin symbols originating centuries after Lehi and unintelligible to your peepstone false prophet in his scam to try and claim he had seen a 'reformed Egyptian' text written by some civilization which has zero evidence of ever having existed on the America continents.

It would appear you mormonism apologists depend upon uninformed people being confused and then led into Mormonism via mischaracterizations, vague assertions, and unbiblical claims which are conveniently misunderstood by those not verse in the Bible and thus easily led into mormonism at the first stirrings of spiritual awakening.

You claim to pray for my heart to be softened ... you would be more to the point if you would pray to your mormon god to dowse the fire I get when I see the lies and heresies of mormonism promoted as if they are 'the truth'. You insult and anger Christians (and me in particular) when you claim Christianity lost Holy Spirit direction for individual saved people until the adulterous peepstone divination false prophet came on the scene with his great scam. You religion's efforts to be baptoised for the dead is blatant affirmation that you believe mormonism is the 'ONLY' way into God's Presence.

[sevenbak]

You read it, and then asked me why there were none?

Unbelievable.

Have a good day MHGinTN.

[MHGinTN]

You read it, and then asked me why there were none? sevenbak

Nice try to mischaracterize what I posted in #42, and as you reread the bracketed sentence below, note that I did not assert there were none rather that finding any was hard ... and you linked to a paganized verse as your proof source!

[BTW, have you found any Jewish RELIGIOUS documents written in Egyptian alphabet? Hard, isn’t it!] last sentence in post #42

[MHGinTN]

BTW, 7, the moderator pulled my posting of the chart on that thread AND told a postert that if he was not a Mormon to leave the thread! Am I supposed to be reading mormon propaganda now in order to be ‘educated’ to mormonism without opportunity to object? LOL!

[nomarUSA5]

Isaiah 29:13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men

Quit wasting your time fighting on here. We Mormons as well as yourself need to be spending less idle time on here bickering over discrepancies in faith and focus on the commons bonds we share. Namely service, prayer, faith in Jesus Christ who will surely come again. Let’s leave it up to Him to decide who did their part in following His example.

[MHGinTN]

Your perversion! as clay is the potter esteemed? That the work saith of its maker, ‘He hath not made me?’ And the framed thing said of its framer, ‘He did not understand?’ Isaiah 29:16 ... Are you becoming a God, after all that you can do? It is by Grace not any of your works ... and just why did you choose to reach back to Spring of ‘08, to try and chasten me?

When satan is failing to woo a soul he resorts to warning against using the Word against him. You might want to take the verse you posted to me and read it again, in light of the perversions to Bible Truth which your prophet, Smith, has made and you swallow as 'restored gospel'.

Read the KJV of Luke 10:22, then read Joseph Smith’s ‘Translation’ version of the King James Bible where Smith changes the wording to reflect his acceptance of ‘Sebelianism’ at that time in his evolving theology. In 1830, Smith embraced 2nd Century Sebelianism (modalism), proposing God the Father came into the flesh as Jesus and after the crucifixion ascends as God the Spirit. [ Your own B of M refutes this!. See Mosiah 15:1-2&5; Ether 3:14; even Alma 18:22 teaches God is a Spirit; even testimony of the three witnesses accompanying modern printings of the B of M acknowledge the trinity!]

By 1835, Smith moves from Sibelianism and is embracing a binitarian concept of God, and the Holy Spirit as ‘the mind of God’, perhaps because he started studying Hebrew in 1835 and found the word ‘Elohim‘.

The reality is that the Book of Mormon, published in 1830, teaches a very different concept of God from what the supposed ‘first vision’ as propounded by the LDS Church teaches!

In Smith’s handwritten version (1832) of his supposed vision, he mentions seeing only one being. Only later was this supposed vision changed to incorporate God the Father in flesh and bones, and God the Son in His body of flesh and bones. The Book of Mormon actually refutes the official First Vision account, as does Joseph’s own hand-penned version dated to 1832!

So, what could be done with this contradictory status? … In 1837, the LDS hierarchy changed the Book of Mormon to fit better with Joseph‘s changing theology! [ For one or two of many changes, see 1st Nephi 11: 18, 1830 edition: Mary went from Mother of God, to Mother of the Son of God. And following ’The Lamb of God, even the eternal Father‘, was changed to read, ’the Lamb of God, the Son of the Eternal Father.’ ]

In 1842 the first PUBLISHED account of the supposed first vision says Joseph saw two personages. In 1843 he dictated the D&C section 130 in which he teaches God and Jesus each have a body of flesh and bones. In 1844, Joseph began giving sermons on how there is a multiplicity of Gods, a council of Gods, and human progression to deity.

Isaiah 29:16 Your perversion! as clay is the potter esteemed? That the work saith of its maker, ‘He hath not made me?’ And the framed thing said of its framer, ‘He did not understand?’

Adding your works ('after all that you can do') to His crucifixion is perversion. Preaching progression by works to godhood is perversion. It is not a loving thing to let you rush into perversion without warning you.