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To: ArrogantBustard

Suicide is unforgiveable. Cold blooded pre meditated murder is unforgiveable. These are basic fundamental christian concepts. Everything else is forgiveable. But those two big ones are automatic eternal damnation. I’m pretty sure I’m not mistaken on this. Sorry I don’t have a link. Someone else on this thread maybe can set me straight or back me up with some kind of proof.


18 posted on 05/05/2008 6:56:57 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?)
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To: mamelukesabre
Suicide is unforgiveable. Cold blooded pre meditated murder is unforgiveable. These are basic fundamental christian concepts. Everything else is forgiveable. But those two big ones are automatic eternal damnation. I’m pretty sure I’m not mistaken on this. Sorry I don’t have a link. Someone else on this thread maybe can set me straight or back me up with some kind of proof

I believe you are mistaken. The Bible is full of stories of people who murdered others, including King David. Yet he was one of God's favorites.

Even on the cross, Jesus asked God to forgive his murderers. I don't think he would have asked if it were impossible.

Others have mentioned Paul's role in the murder of Stephen and others.

I'm not familiar with any scripture that says or even implies that murder is unforgivable. If one repents and is born again, he is born again with his sins forgiven. Certain denominations may teach different things, but I think the scriptural basis for such a pronouncement is at best shakey.

21 posted on 05/05/2008 7:08:32 PM PDT by TN4Liberty (Election 2008 - American Idol except no one can sing.)
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To: mamelukesabre; sionnsar

You are quite mistaken in your assertion that murder and suicide are unforgiveable. If God is the final arbitor of what is or is not forgiveable, Jesus Christ plainly states that blaspheming the Holy Spirit is the only unpardonable sin. “And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in his age or in the age to come.”(Matthew 12: 31-32) Christ himself said it. Blaspheming the Holy Spirit happens when the miracles of God are attributed to Satan. Only ignorant and foolish people said that Jesus was casting our demons by Beelzebub (the prince of demons - a.k.a. Satan). His answer to them ought to sober anyone up who pretends to know what can and cannot be forgiven.

Remember also that the Lord’s prayer also says “forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us.” The teaching Jesus relates to this prayer is very illustrative. “For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.”
(Matthew 6:14-15)


24 posted on 05/05/2008 7:25:45 PM PDT by LibreOuMort (Give me liberty, or give me death! (Patrick Henry))
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To: mamelukesabre
Suicide is unforgiveable.

Because the perp is also deceased, and incapable of repenting.

Cold blooded pre meditated murder is unforgiveable.

False. Show me that anywhere in Scripture or Tradition.

31 posted on 05/06/2008 6:01:50 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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