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To: Hoof Hearted
It is amazing how many here are claiming the innocence of those shot as though they knew what they were talking about. Is the source the self-serving lies of their families, their friends, the relentless propaganda of the Americong?

Assume, as I do not, that you were correct and that those shot had nothing to do with the protest (rank baloney!). We live in an age where no one wants to take responsibility for their individual actions. If someone set off a string of salutes in the crowd, the Ohio National Guardsmen would reasonably conclude that they were being fired upon. Those guardsmen were at Kent State after spending a month or more patrolling highway overpasses on Ohio's interstates because of a Teamster strike that included snipers shooting tractor trailer drivers defying the strike. The guardsmen expected to be going back to their jobs, their businesses and their families but were delayed by the Americong punks at Kent State who burned the ROTC building and marched against the drawn weapons of the guard. They should have fired directly into the leading ranks of the leftist punks and anarchists. We ought not castrate the guard in order to protect the curiosity seekers or participants as the case may have been.

I expect to survive when I stay home and mind my own business as I should. I witnessed the Black Panther murder protests by the New Left on the New Haven Green in 1969 or 1970. I sat on the steps of one of the Center Church on the New Haven Green so that I would not have to depend on CBS and other MSM lies as to the the goings on in my hometown. I made a conscious decision to be there. If I had been shot, then I would have had no one to blame but me. I was not at all sympathetic to the demonstrators.

On the same day as Kent State, there was a far worse incident at a black state college in Mississippi called Jackson State. There more students were machine-gunned in their dormitories by a guard unit than were shot at Kent State. At Jackson State, there was no attack on the guard.

Our mush-headed middle class, wanting always to excuse the depredations of improperly raised little "revolutionary" Muffy and Skipper, will not only lie to protect their posthumous reputations and attack guardsmen for doing their job but keep up the drumbeat of lies nearly forty years later. If the story line of the Kent State "martyrs" were not lies, what was Scott the Predator Ritter doing there to mouth the party line of the anti-Americans???

If you hallucinate that at least two of those killed were "going about their legitimate business," what is your source? John Kerry? Bernardine Dohrn? Hussein Obama? Crusty the Pantsuit? The establishmentarian Scranton Report? James Michener (Quaker leftist as well as imaginative novelist)? New York Times editorials? CSNBCABCCNNNYTWaPo?????

When rifles are fired in self-defense by guardsmen, 60 feet is no protection. 6 more inches and it would be the distance from the pitcher's mound to home plate. Bullets travel a lot faster than thrown baseballs. If someone was going to die, better the radical punks than the guard.

If you would like to view the dead punks as conservative heroes of some sort, NO SALE!

If your hoof is as soft as your head and your heart, then get physical hoof therapy before risking injury by walking. If you don't like what I posted, then remember that it was not as though I cared.

40 posted on 05/05/2008 11:24:12 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BlackElk
Assume, as I do not, that you were correct and that those shot had nothing to do with the protest (rank baloney!).

It's a fact.

41 posted on 05/05/2008 11:34:37 AM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin 1936. Olympics for murdering regimes. Beijing 2008.)
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To: BlackElk

William Knox Schroeder was shot with a folder in his hand. He was an ROTC member and Eagle Scout on his way to class. This is established fact not denied by anyone.


43 posted on 05/05/2008 11:39:48 AM PDT by Borges
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To: BlackElk

My research on the Jackson State incident does not agree with your statements...

http://www.may41970.com/Jackson%20State/jackson_state_may_1970.htm


55 posted on 05/05/2008 12:18:42 PM PDT by FL_Native
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To: BlackElk; FL_Native
The Jackson State incident was not as you described.

Was it "far worse" as you state? Four people died at Kent but two at Jackson. In terms of the number of human lives lost, Kent was worse.

The Jackson dead were not "machine-gunned", they were killed by buckshot from shotguns.

The dead were not killed "in their dormitories" but were two men who were part of a crowd gathered in front of a women's dormitory on campus.

These two were not killed by a "guard unit" but were killed before the National Guard arrived at Jackson State - the only authorities on the scene at the time were the Jackson Police, the Jackson Fire Department and the MS State Police.

Because there was no Guard presence at the time, you are trivially right to say there was no attack on the Guard. But at Jackson State the crowd set fires, turned over vehicles and set vehicles on fire - and then threw rocks and garbage at the firemen who responded.

58 posted on 05/05/2008 12:32:36 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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