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National Review ^ | May 05, 2008 | David Berlinski

Posted on 05/05/2008 7:59:31 AM PDT by KarinG1

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I thought Derbyshire was off base with his criticism as well, although I haven't seen the movie yet either.
1 posted on 05/05/2008 7:59:35 AM PDT by KarinG1
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To: KarinG1
David Berlinski, author of The Devil's Delusion: Atheism and its Scientific Pretensions, is a senior fellow at the Discovery Institute.

Ohhhh. One of those objective observers.

2 posted on 05/05/2008 8:01:50 AM PDT by Shryke
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I’m not sure there ARE any objective observers.
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3 posted on 05/05/2008 8:03:39 AM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: KarinG1
Derbyshire is on the record as saying that, while it is not feasible for him to believe in God, there is theoretically no problem for him in believing in leprechauns.

That tells me all I really need to know about Derbyshire and his mindset, about any subject.

4 posted on 05/05/2008 8:04:00 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Here they come boys! As thick as grass, and as black as thunder!)
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To: Shryke
One of those objective observers.

Berlinski never claimed to be an objective observer.

He points out in his article that he appeared in the film Derbyshire trashed without seeing and that he is a member of the Discovery Institute - one of those described by Derbyshire as an "eccentric non-Christian crank."

Would you assert that Derbyshire is an "objective observer"?

5 posted on 05/05/2008 8:07:54 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: KarinG1

Berlinski is an excellent writer, in my opinion. I read his book a couple of weeks ago. You’ll notice, in this article, that he never splits an infinitive.


6 posted on 05/05/2008 8:10:43 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Curtis Blackwood for State Rep! Jeff Gerber for County Commissioner! Vote early and often!)
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You’ll notice, in this article, that he never splits an infinitive.

"This is because they seriously overestimated their own ability to think nimbly before a camera."

Beautiful!

7 posted on 05/05/2008 8:18:12 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Here they come boys! As thick as grass, and as black as thunder!)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

It takes real skill consistently to use correct grammar without sounding like a cluck :-).

What’s the source of your tagline?


8 posted on 05/05/2008 8:20:47 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Curtis Blackwood for State Rep! Jeff Gerber for County Commissioner! Vote early and often!)
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To: KarinG1
That Dawkins was duped is undeniable; but as in so many of the better crime stories, the victim of a crime turns out to have been its perpetrator.

Exactly. If Dawkins was duped, it was only by his own intellectual incapacities.

9 posted on 05/05/2008 8:21:53 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Here they come boys! As thick as grass, and as black as thunder!)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

If Derbyshire is an atheist it explains the shrill, hysterical tone of his column.


10 posted on 05/05/2008 8:27:52 AM PDT by The Right Stuff
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What’s the source of your tagline?

It was reputed said by Sergeant Henry Gallagher, B Company 2nd/24th Warwickshire Regiment of Foot, Her Majesty's Royal Infantry, as the Battle of Rorke's Drift began, when over 10,000 Zulu impi descended on the compound defended by around 100 British soldiers.

Horribly politically incorrect, I know, but then again, so am I.

11 posted on 05/05/2008 8:31:06 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Here they come boys! As thick as grass, and as black as thunder!)
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Berlinski is a Fellow of the Discovery Institute’s Center for Science and Culture

He is one of the creators of the movie. It’s tanking and he is whining. You haven’t heard from Ben Stein.

As to the copyright infringements. If they don’t settle, then I’ll believe they didn’t need permission.


12 posted on 05/05/2008 8:40:40 AM PDT by Soliton
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Berlinski’s radical and often wrong-headed skepticism represents an ascendant style in the popular debate over American science: Like the recent crop of global-warming skeptics, AIDS denialists, and biotech activists, Berlinski uses doubt as a weapon against the academy—he’s more concerned with what we don’t know than what we do. He uses uncertainty to challenge the scientific consensus; he points to the evidence that isn’t there and seeks out the things that can’t be proved. In its extreme and ideological form, this contrarian approach to science can turn into a form of paranoia—a state of permanent suspicion and outrage. But Berlinski is hardly a victim of the style. He’s merely its most methodical practitioner.


13 posted on 05/05/2008 8:44:36 AM PDT by Soliton
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Thanks, I was sure it sounded familiar. It’s sad that it should be politically incorrect to observe that Africans are black, though.


14 posted on 05/05/2008 8:53:46 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Curtis Blackwood for State Rep! Jeff Gerber for County Commissioner! Vote early and often!)
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To: Soliton

“Objective observer” is an oxymoron.


15 posted on 05/05/2008 9:05:57 AM PDT by WVNan
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To: NicknamedBob

While my reservations about the presentation remain, here is another view on the film.


16 posted on 05/05/2008 9:19:05 AM PDT by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: Soliton

I think the whole point of the article, and possibly the movie (which I have yet to see, I’m waiting for it to come out on dvd), is that things we don’t know should remain open to debate and investigation. Consensus isn’t the same thing as factual knowledge. Throughout history there has been generally accepted wisdom that was wrong. History repeats. It always has.


17 posted on 05/05/2008 9:58:47 AM PDT by KarinG1 (Opinions expressed in this post are my own and do not necessarily represent those of sane people.)
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As far as the lawsuits, so far all we know for sure is that the people who filed the lawsuits failed to convince a judge to preempt the movie release, as they had requested.

Whether more will happen remains to be seen.

The initial lawsuits did not ask for payment — they said there would be no permission, and asked that the film not be released.


18 posted on 05/05/2008 10:05:35 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Soliton
That's an interesting way of looking at things. The fact that we even have a "popular debate over American science" suggests that more is going on than simply "science."

He uses uncertainty to challenge the scientific consensus ...

One of the things Mr. Berlinski's book demonstrated is that the "scientific consensus" regarding fundamental facts about the universe doesn't really exist. Scientists theorize all kinds of different and contradictory things, but proving or observing them to be true is a different matter.

Plenty of sane, intelligent and educated people - with a doctor's note, IQ and SAT scores, and college degrees to prove it, Mr. Harris - find much of what scientists say on these topics to be unpersuasive. "This doesn't make any sense, and not only that, you can prove any of it, so why should I believe you, instead of the equally 'scientific' guy with a totally different theory. Why should I believe either one of you?" I suppose I'm radically skeptical, too. This might impress my kids ...

19 posted on 05/05/2008 10:53:41 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Curtis Blackwood for State Rep! Jeff Gerber for County Commissioner! Vote early and often!)
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Nertz. “CAN’T prove ...”

Back to the kitchen. I probably split an infinitive, too.


20 posted on 05/05/2008 11:01:56 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Curtis Blackwood for State Rep! Jeff Gerber for County Commissioner! Vote early and often!)
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