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To: skr

All a lawyer with a guilty client should do is his best concerning the sentencing of same.

A lawyer with a guilty client should simply see that the truth concerning his client be discovered at his trial. Truth should be the only thing that counts in our justice system. Unfortunately, it’s the only thing that doesn’t matter in our courts. This judges actions should get him disbarred and imprisioned for false imprisonment.


33 posted on 05/04/2008 7:58:54 PM PDT by freedomfiter2 (It's too bad I've already promised myself to never vote for McCain.)
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To: freedomfiter2
A lawyer with a guilty client has to defend the client. He is under no obligation to "get to the truth." He is obligated to present the best case for his client without committing perjury.
36 posted on 05/04/2008 8:07:51 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: freedomfiter2

“All a lawyer with a guilty client should do is his best concerning the sentencing of same.”

So screw “innocent until proven guilty,” eh? YOUR lawyer will decide if you are guilty, not a jury of your peers? Yeah, great idea there.


40 posted on 05/04/2008 8:21:06 PM PDT by piytar
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To: freedomfiter2
A lawyer with a guilty client should simply see that the truth concerning his client be discovered at his trial. Truth should be the only thing that counts in our justice system.

You fail to appreciate the value of our adversarial legal system as a check on tyranny and overzealous prosecution.

In the system you propose, attorneys would essentially serve as agents of the court, working with the judge to discover the truth. But they too would have imperfect judgment. If accused people knew they could not trust their attorneys, everyone--guilty or not--would proclaim their innocence. Every attorney would be forced to guess at his client's innocence, and the quality of defense that client received would depend on that guess. An attorney would invariably make a mistake occasionally, and believing an innocent client to be lying, follow your advice and see that the "truth" come out at trial giving him the sentence he "deserves." The very thing that you decry in this thread--the conviction of innocent people--would be more common.

Imagine if you were falsely accused and your own attorney didn't seem to believe you. In the current system, you could count on the fact that he would still do his best to get you acquitted. In your system, you would be SOL.

If that isn't enough, I'll point out that Germany--hardly famous for its long history of protecting innocent people against overzealous governments--has a legal system more like the one you advocate. The Anglo-American common law system--complete with the adversarial approach we have now--has been one of the strongest bulwarks against tyranny the world has ever known.

41 posted on 05/04/2008 8:35:42 PM PDT by Arguendo
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