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There's a better solution to our energy problems than ethanol. It's called nuclear energy.
The Weekly Standard ^ | 04/28/2008 | William Tucker

Posted on 05/04/2008 4:53:59 PM PDT by Delacon

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To: cpdiii
The solution to our energy crisis (made by the liberals) is as follows:

1. Drill Anwar and offshore. This will not give us what we need but will help.
2. Go nuclear to supply our electrical needs. Nuclear can supply 100% of our electrical needs.
3. Shale oil is profitable at the present price of oil. If the government will pass a law that would ensure a base price for the shale oil the companies would go for this. We have around 200 years of shale oil. Shale oil takes a lot of energy to "cook" out of the rock. The ideal source of heat for this would be co-located nuclear reactors. They can make all the heat you want. This would increase yield and decrease cost.
4. Utilize the coal to liquid fuel process that has been done for the last 60 years. It works.

Any energy source that can compete without a subsidy should be encouraged. All of this can not be done over night. Our industry can do it and is willing to do it. The problem is not one of engineering but politics and environmental leftists. They will oppose each of the above suggestions. We could be energy independent in 20 years if we apply ourselves to the problem.

41 posted on 05/04/2008 6:24:30 PM PDT by cpdiii (roughneck, oilfield trash and proud of it, geologist, pilot, pharmacist, iconoclast.)
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To: driftdiver
Coal is a good source, past present and future. Nothing whatever wrong with it, the line against it is pure slander based on CO2 emission globaloney warming chicken-little nonsense. Period.

Meanwhile, there will be rolling blackouts every summer unless we add 17 GW of new generating capacity every year through 2015. Last year, nuclear added zero and coal added 1.

42 posted on 05/04/2008 6:24:30 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: Delacon

Folks, ethanol has been around since the late 70s. Imagine what price oil would be without the 10% ethanol added to replace a similar amount of gas—we would be using about another 10% gasoline. Does anyone really think that using another 10% gasoline is going to force the price of oil down? Don’t get me wrong, I am for any viable solution to the energy problem. Trouble is there are too many roadblocks in the way of other options. The middle oil powers have the demorats in their pockets to prevent domestic production, and there is zip for infrastructure for most of the other options, hence, ethanol is a small piece of the fix since the infrastructure from grain handling has been in place for decades.


43 posted on 05/04/2008 6:26:20 PM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Hallmarks of Liberalism: Ingratitude and Envy))
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To: Neoliberalnot
What utter nonsense.

All energy we use is ultimately from conversion of matter to energy. We've got this great big functioning fusion reactor in the sky, called the sun. Coal is just fossilized old sunlight.

44 posted on 05/04/2008 6:27:03 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: cpdiii
Anything else about ethanol is not important and please do not put it in your car's gas tank.

A little bit of ethanol can raise the octane rating of gasoline allowing better spark timing which in turn allows the engine to use more of the gasoline's energy. But more alcohol than necessary to advance the spark is a waste.

45 posted on 05/04/2008 6:27:24 PM PDT by Poincare (Hope is nostalgia for the future.)
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To: Delacon

Of course. Didn’t you know that the white man’s greed runs a world in need?


46 posted on 05/04/2008 6:27:30 PM PDT by ROP_RIP
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To: Delacon
The UN guy and the writer are both crazy. Most of the Third World is Moslem. Virtually all the corn we produce is fed to hogs, and those hogs produce pork, and Moslems don't eat pork.

Doesn't matter what part of the corn crop we turn into fuel, it has no impact one way or the other on any nation with a large number of Moslems.

47 posted on 05/04/2008 6:29:04 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Neoliberalnot
Folks, ethanol has been around since the late 70s. Imagine what price oil would be without the 10% ethanol added to replace a similar amount of gas

Unless you can get more energy out of the ethanol than you put into it there is no net energy gain or decrease in oil consumption.

48 posted on 05/04/2008 6:29:40 PM PDT by cpdiii (roughneck, oilfield trash and proud of it, geologist, pilot, pharmacist, iconoclast.)
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To: Gorzaloon

“If WE grow OUR corn, and burn it in a stove, feed it to the birds, or throw it away, what does this have to do with starving The Children™ in a “Developing Nation”? Does this mean the “Developing Nation” cannot grow its own food? If so, why do we call it “Developing” if it is nonviable?

-Unless the Writer is referring to handout recipients in corrupt regimes, who despise us. Is that what the writer meant? “

The latest by liberals, is the hate-the-farmer campaign and blame the food producers for all the ills of the nation. Agribusiness is the nation’s number one industry and has done more to make this nation a world power than any other, so hey, it is time we undermine Ag and everybody concerned with the evil food raising business. These low-life food producers should give their products away and dam them if they want more than a 1% return on investment.


49 posted on 05/04/2008 6:31:42 PM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Hallmarks of Liberalism: Ingratitude and Envy))
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To: SandRat

And if they still want to do ethanol then take off the 56 cent per gallon tariff on imported ethanol. Brazil makes it out of suger, makes it more efficiently than does the U.S., could export millions of gallons to the U.S., but are blocked by the import duties.


50 posted on 05/04/2008 6:33:00 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: stboz

If you dig into this subject, you’ll find President Ford, then Carter, put a stop to this “breeder” technology in the US. It was briefly revived in 1981 under Reagan, but by that time, the entire nuclear power industry had been painted as dangerous.


51 posted on 05/04/2008 6:33:36 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Neoliberalnot
Ethanol does not drive down energy prices. Counting all its subsidies and higher processing, storage, and transport costs, ethanol costs the equivalent of about $150 a barrel at present grain prices. It may have seemed like a good idea with corn under $3 a bushel, but by now it is a pure transfer from every driver to corn farmers. We'd be better off burning more coal in new power plants, natural gas in homes in the northeast for winter heat, and the heating oil demand thus saved, in our cars.

But nobody approaches any of this with economic, most efficient substitution, rationality. Instead everybody is peddling an angle to subsidize some pet idea or group. It is obscene, and everyone doing so should pause and think of the Iranian nukes they are funding.

52 posted on 05/04/2008 6:34:09 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: muawiyah
"Most of the Third World is Moslem"

Utter drivel.

53 posted on 05/04/2008 6:35:17 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: Delacon
A nuclear energy based economy is inevitable. It may take the death of the last lib who saw China Syndrome but it will happen.

Absolutely.

54 posted on 05/04/2008 6:36:07 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: Poincare

“Was riceland (wet) really used to grow corn? Somebody is running a scam.”

Yep, it is called middle east oil producers.


55 posted on 05/04/2008 6:36:31 PM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Hallmarks of Liberalism: Ingratitude and Envy))
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To: JasonC
17 GigaWATTS!!!! Holy Batman

Its not just baloney that coal is a dirty material. It kills miners, it makes dirty by products when burned and requires a high volume of material. Its worked for a long long long time. The HUGE infrastructure behind coal is quite interested in keeping it on the plate. Lots of jobs at stake. IMO nuke is a better option as long as the Russians aren't running it.

56 posted on 05/04/2008 6:36:36 PM PDT by driftdiver
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To: Poincare
There are people who don't know why the Corn Belt got its name. Guess they think corn can just grow anywhere it wants ~

Nifty project for someone who wants to market luxury products in Japan ~ Hamilton county Indiana regularly reports the highest corn productivity levels in the world. Grow popcorn there. Package it in small tins about the size used for canned tuna. Sell it in shops handling Gucci, et al, in Japan's big cities for $257 per can. Call it "IRON PIPE POPCORN" which reflects the productivity characteristics of Hamilton county stored within. The "Iron Pipe", of course, refers to ........... I assure you, the Japanese will get the idea and you will have yet another product besides Viagra to put on the market to save the Black Rhino.

57 posted on 05/04/2008 6:36:37 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: All; Delacon

We need to contact our reps and tell them we need more refineries, and drill for oil in our own country, and not use food for fuel - it’s unethical.

THEN we need to write an editor’s letter asking other folks in our area to do the same thing. That’s how we can get our elected people to listen (maybe).


58 posted on 05/04/2008 6:38:37 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: JasonC

Crist just stopped a coal plant here in Florida. But he did herald in a shiny new solar plant.


59 posted on 05/04/2008 6:38:37 PM PDT by driftdiver
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To: SandRat
'and telling the envir-O-NAZIs to go pound sand. '

With a sharp stick.


60 posted on 05/04/2008 6:40:55 PM PDT by Viking2002 (Paul Krugman: Conscience Of A Crapweasel. (For lack of a better tagline at the moment.)
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