[kabar]

Kabar, this conversation reminds me of the differences between my dad, the intelligence engineer (you probably used some of the systems he worked on), and his brother, the career AF officer. I admire your determination & tenacity, but your cause is lost.

And what is your cause? My cause is the preservation of the United States of America and the Constitution. You sound like a disinterested bystander with no dog in this fight. Lost or not, I will fight this fight until my dying day. It reminds me of something Patton once said,

"There's one great thing you men can say when it's all over and you're home once more. You can thank God that twenty years from now, when you're sitting around the fireside with your grandson on your knee and he asks you what you did in the war, you won't have to shift him to the other knee, cough, and say, "I shovelled shit in Louisiana."

You talk about future generations - I think it's our responsibility as parents to realistically prepare our children for their respective futures. We're quibbling over details, but the end result isn't in doubt.

I have no idea what you mean by "realistically prepare our children for their respective futures" means? Enlighten me.

[semantic]

I too was once like you. I'm a Calif native who has seen what's in store for the rest of the country. The fate of Prop 187 cured me of any illusions. You're fighting for something that simply no longer exists nor is appreciated.

My responsibility is to make sure my family has the economic means to continue enjoying the 'good life'. We are soon entering the era where gov't services are collapsing. That means in addition to the existing tax burden, we will be paying for privatized schooling, security, roads, etc.

Face the facts: if you move the population of Mexico to the US, it will become like Mexico. Like all central/south American countries, we will be a nation divided by class, where the state will be bankrupt & corruption runs rampant. I plan maximizing the economic returns from these events to continue enjoying my secure life at the beach.