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karbar: Broad averages tend to obscure relevant facts, such as, what are/will be the proportions in leading states like Calif, NY, TX & FL? Secondly, whether it takes 40, 80 or more years, there is no disputing the eventual outcome - aboriginals are reclaiming their land. (BTW, they aren't stopping here either, Canada will be next within 100 years. Yes, I know they're already showing up - I mean taking over.)

You missed the point. It is not about race, but ethinicty and culture. By 2050 non-Hispanic whites will be 50% or less of the population [A Pew report estimates they will be 47% of the population] and Hispanics of all races will be 25% to 29% depending on what source you use.

The Hispanic Challenge By Samuel P. Huntington--"The persistent inflow of Hispanic immigrants threatens to divide the United States into two peoples, two cultures, and two languages. Unlike past immigrant groups, Mexicans and other Latinos have not assimilated into mainstream U.S. culture, forming instead their own political and linguistic enclaves—from Los Angeles to Miami—and rejecting the Anglo-Protestant values that built the American dream. The United States ignores this challenge at its peril."

Thirdly, it's a waste of time combating immigration; the anchor baby seeds have already germinated. The numbers coming via family chain migration will vastly exceed individual immigrants sneaking over the border.

You are mixing apples and oranges. There are approximately 1.2 million legal immigrants who enter this country annually. The can sponsor others legally thru chain migration, i.e., family reunification. "Anchor babies" can't sponsor anyone until they are 21.

There is no doubt that the Hispanic birthrate [double the general population's] even without immigration have and will affect the demographics of this country dramatically. Here is a good article describing the details of that growth.

If an amnesty is granted, i.e, legalizing the status of the 12 to 20 million illegals already here, they can in turn [acording to estimates of Robert Rector of the Heritage Foundation] be able to sponsor another 66 million to 100 million LEGAL immigrants thru chain migration, i.e., family reunification over a 20 year period on top of the current 1.2 million who enter legally every year. This will hasten the process and essentially destroy this country within two decades. With a stroke of a pen, this country will be finished. McCain, Obama, and Hillary all favor an amnesty. The battle will move to Congress and more than likely, it will be the House that remains the last battleground. The Senate will pass amnesty like it did in 2006 [S. 2611].

Kabar thinks the US is a unique, once in history, event that is worth fighting to preserve. I admire his tenacity, but know it's a losing cause.

It is certainly a lost cause if you adopt your mentality. We all owe it to those who came before us and those that follow, including our children, to fight the good fight and not cede anything. It is not over until it is over.

Kabar, this conversation reminds me of the differences between my dad, the intelligence engineer (you probably used some of the systems he worked on), and his brother, the career AF officer. I admire your determination & tenacity, but your cause is lost.

As an adieu, how many people know that Harold fought and defeated an invading army from Norway in Yorkshire 3 days before he had to march 250 miles back to Hastings just to lose to William? He exhausted his forces only to lose to the greater threat.

You talk about future generations - I think it's our responsibility as parents to realistically prepare our children for their respective futures. We're quibbling over details, but the end result isn't in doubt.