Rohrabacher To Announce National Day Of Prayer For Jailed Border Agents

5/3/2008 | Dana Rohrabacher

[Ladycalif]

ramos and compean ping

[Bob J]

More political grandstanding from Rohrbacher. He’s wasting time on these feel good PR events when all he has to do is submit legislation exempting LEO’s from the 10 year mandatory sentence when it involves an officer who without premeditation or corruption incorrectly uses his gun in the line of duty.

But why kill the golden PR goose that keeps on giving.

[Brad’s Gramma]

Ramos & Compean BTTT!!!

[epow]

I once had a lot of respect and even admiration for President Bush, but his failure to give those men justice by pardoning them took all that away. It's almost unbelievable that two honest law enforcement officers could be sentenced to ten years hard time for simply trying to enforce the laws that they were hired and trained to enforce. Which raises this question, were they hired to actually enforce the law or just to make it appear that they were enforcing it?

How much bought and paid for influence do American businesses and other employers of cheap labor illegals actually have with our elected officials? And why should we tolerate this kind of malpractice by our elected officials in the first place? The correct answers are a lot of influence, and we shouldn't tolerate it for a NY minute. Some heads should figuratively roll if those two men aren't released soon.

[nw_arizona_granny]

Ping.

[Cyropaedia]

Oh no you don't Bob.

We've been through all of this before. Sutton never actually used the statute that Congress wrote (924-c), -now did he...?

Mark Brewer's arguments before the Fifth Circuit :

[Kimberly GG]

Anyone know if one of them is still imprisioned here in Ohio?

[calcowgirl]

PING!

RAMOS/COMPEAN Ping
Please freepmail me if you want on or off this list.

[Bob J]

How come not one R&C supporter can explain how NONE of their so called congressional backers are willing to work toward getting R&C IMMEDIATELY released from prison by submitting legislation clarifying 924 so it doesn’t apply to LEO’s using their weapons in the normal course of their duties?

I’ve talked to several lawyers who say this is not only possible but the easiest route to not only getting R&C released but also to protect ALL LEO’s in the future against charges of this kind. One lawyer said “because they are too lazy”.

I’ll tell you why, because no one wants them released, no one wants to fix the problem. For most R&C supporters this is not a Border Patrol agent issue, it is an immigration issue. For politicians, it’s an emotional flash point they can use to gain PR and media exposure and drum up donations and support for future political aspirations.

So how about everyone quit moaning and wailing about the plight of R&C...none of you want this to end too quickly anymore than many want “Operation Chaos” in the dem primary to end.

If you did you would be pounding Rohrbacher and Hunter to write and submit this legislation. If they did it would already have been done.

[calcowgirl]

...all he has to do is submit legislation exempting LEO’s from the 10 year mandatory sentence when it involves an officer who without premeditation or corruption incorrectly uses his gun in the line of duty.

Here we go again. You got shot down on this back in December/January. After multiple queries asking you to justify your half-cocked theory that Congress can redefine (or "undeclare") laws, ex post facto, even your alleged source for such theory wouldn't back you up. [Follow up questions on your revised (ever-changing) legal theories went unanswered, probably to avoid further embarrassment. ]

Lets not drag these threads through the same nonsense, again. (But, if you insist, please be sure to answer the initial set of questions as to how this could be accomplished ex post facto when Congress is basically forbidden from applying changes retroactively.)

Thanks in advance.

[calcowgirl]

I don't know if the BOP database is up to date, but here is what it reflects:

                                                    Actual/
                      Register                      Projected
Name                  Number     Age   Release Date Location   

IGNACIO RAMOS         58079-180   39    08-11-2016  PHOENIX FCI
JOSE ALONSO COMPEAN   58080-180   31    06-24-2017  ELKTON FCI

FCI Elkton is located in central Columbiana County, 3 miles east of Lisbon, 30 miles south of Youngstown, and 45 miles northwest of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

[Mojave]

Maybe he likes getting spanked.

[Bob J]

As usual and on cue you are lying through your teeth. The question never was if congress could "undeclare" a law, you re-worded it that way because you knew I was correct and you couldn't allow the truth to be known or your whole shtick would impode.

Here is the actual exchange between CBB and I concerning the "ex post facto" and redefining 924 issues. I'll let the readers decide who is engaging in double speak and misdirection.

BobJ to CBB - My opponents are arguing that that wouldn’t be possible due to ex post facto laws, but I am arguing that law only applies in that the law cannot go after a perp for something that they later made a crime. I am arguing that doesn’t apply to victims of badly written or unfair laws, that laws can be clarified which would allow someone to go to a federal judge who could then order them released. Got any thoughts here?

CBB to BobJ - "Ex post facto applies in only one direction. Congress cannot make an act into a crime after the act has been committed. On the other hand, Congress does have the power to “undeclare” an act as a crime.

BobJ to CBB - "This is the question though. Could congress pass a law that clarifies 924 in how it applies to LEO’s in the line of duty or “undeclare” it as you have stated in a way that would allow Ramos and Compean to be released from the 10 year mand?

CBB to BobJ - "Yea, they could. But if Congress does anything, it will probably take the easy route and cut the funding."

I decided long ago to resist responding to you or having any interaction on FR since you are nothing more than the Johnny Cochran of the Ramos and Compean issue. You are incapable of rational and meaningfull discussion as you are a jaded apostate whose goal is not truth or the rule of law, but pushing your immigration agenda.

So take your twaddle down the road and enlighten the blinded cultists who will lap up your swill regardless of how ignorant, idiotic or illogical it is, but homey don't play that game.

[Mojave]

I decided long ago to resist responding to you

So you are afraid of getting spanked after all.

[Bob J]

And FWIW I’ve had several other discussions with attorneys on and off FR who state the same thing...that congress (and congresspersons who have the will) could submit legislation that redefines 924 in a way that removes LEO’s from prosecution if they make an honest mistake when using their weapons in the line of duty. This would obviously exclude LEO’s who do it with forthought or are corrupt.

They also unanimously stated that once that law was passed and signed an attorney could go to any federal judge with request to release R&C and that request would almost certainly be granted.

Again, the main question I have is why so called R&C supporters and their congressional advocates like Rohrbacher and Hunter have not even feinted toward this solution?

How long have R&C been in jail, away from their families? How much longer do they have to suffer because their “supporters” are more interested in using them to push individual agendas like immigration and border security, or put on flashy press conferences or hold prayer vigils that are great for media opps and Tv face time but do nothing for the real victims?

[deport]

I’m not sure the statute could be amended/clarified and made retroactive to this case but tell my why they aren’t trying to amend/clarify the statute now for future use. Doesn’t make sense to me when they can could be working on that part now.

[EveningStar]

More political grandstanding from Rohrbacher.

You're being to kind to Rohrabacher. I'd call it demagoguery.

[EveningStar]

to too kind

[calcowgirl]

As usual and on cue you are lying through your teeth. The question never was if congress could "undeclare" a law, you re-worded it that way because you knew I was correct and you couldn't allow the truth to be known or your whole shtick would impode.

Sorry Bob. On December 29, 2007, It was you that asserted that one could "undeclare" a law. You can call me a liar all you won't but the facts indicate otherwise.

Here is the actual exchange between CBB and I concerning the "ex post facto" and redefining 924 issues. I'll let the readers decide who is engaging in double speak and misdirection. BobJ to CBB - My opponents are arguing that that wouldn’t be possible due to ex post facto laws, but I am arguing that law only applies in that the law cannot go after a perp for something that they later made a crime. I am arguing that doesn’t apply to victims of badly written or unfair laws, that laws can be clarified which would allow someone to go to a federal judge who could then order them released. Got any thoughts here? CBB to BobJ - "Ex post facto applies in only one direction. Congress cannot make an act into a crime after the act has been committed. On the other hand, Congress does have the power to “undeclare” an act as a crime. BobJ to CBB - "This is the question though. Could congress pass a law that clarifies 924 in how it applies to LEO’s in the line of duty or “undeclare” it as you have stated in a way that would allow Ramos and Compean to be released from the 10 year mand? CBB to BobJ - "Yea, they could. But if Congress does anything, it will probably take the easy route and cut the funding."

Yep. That is a conversation that you purportedly had via freepmail and that CBB later corrected (CBB: "No, I did not say that Congress could "undeclare" the law.") in the post that I linked, above. And by the way--I see you demonstrating that you indeed were the one to come up with the contention that the law could be "undeclared." Thanks for that.

I decided long ago to resist responding to you or having any interaction on FR since you are nothing more than the Johnny Cochran of the Ramos and Compean issue. You are incapable of rational and meaningfull discussion as you are a jaded apostate whose goal is not truth or the rule of law, but pushing your immigration agenda.

Here I thought we were discussing the issue and you launch into another juvenile outburst of personal attacks. You really should seek help about that.

So take your twaddle down the road and enlighten the blinded cultists who will lap up your swill regardless of how ignorant, idiotic or illogical it is, but homey don't play that game.

Whew! Check those gaskets while you're at it.