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To: freerepublic_or_die
Thank you. I appreciate your courtesy, especially after some of the discussions I've participated in on Civil War threads. :)

The whole issue between us is one of "does the end justify the means," usually stated as if it can be a yes or no answer for all circumstances.

IMO, it depends on the specific end and means.

Some ends, being evil, cannot justify any means. Other ends, sufficiently laudable, will justify almost any means.

War itself is by definition the justification of means that in any other context would be utterly unacceptable.

So the question is whether the specific end of preventing the Nazis from conquering the world justified Bomber Command's intentional attacks on German civilians.

The end in this case was the most justifiable in human history. If the only way to stop the Nazis had been to kill every single German, it would have been entirely justified to do so.

IMO these attacks would have been fully justified had two conditions both applied:

1. Such attacks were truly effective at accomplishing the end.

2. The same resources, applied in other ways, would not have been even more effective.

However, IMO only, neither of these conditions applied. It is generally agreed that the area bombardment tactics were at best less than militarily effective given the enormous resources used.

I believe Bomber Command and British government started this tactic out of wholly understandable frustration due to having no other way to strike back at their enemy, and at least partly to provide an internal morale boost for the British people. This may have been justified during the darkest days of the war.

Continuing it when other more effective means of attack became available was much less justified, and was at least largely a matter of expressing hatred and revenge, as well as an unwillingness to abandon an enormous investment in weapons with no other effective use. So Bomber Command continued making the rubble bounce in German cities and killing civilians through the end of the war, long after doing so had much military impact.

These emotions are intensely understandable, given the circumstances, but decisions about the morality of actions should be made without taking emotions into account.

BTW, Churchill, while a very great man, arguably the savior of Western civilization, shares guilt with Bomber Harris for these unjustified tactics.

157 posted on 05/04/2008 8:23:03 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves. - A. Lincoln)
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To: Sherman Logan
You have emphatically demonstrated the problematic, inhernet flaws the pursuit of debating such hotly contested, morally profound issues, philosophies, points of view, inexorably turn into as the utter exercise in futility they ultimately prove to be.

Even in the case of person-to-person, direct exchange of ideas, those with the profciency, skill to sidestep direct, pointed questions, to skillfully muddy the waters, avoid responding to questions they desperately want to evade, it is all a matter of presentation.

And certainly when utilizing a cumbersome, awkward, medium that email emphatically demonstrates to be, it is all a matter of talking over, through, beside, in disregarding whatever it is one finds unsuitable or unpalatable.

You have avoided my question, the points I have made, the issues I have raised, to espouse your agenda to the exclusion of everything I've tried to have you elicit, respond to, all to no avail.

It seems you are only interested in providing sound bites that are indeed pithy, succcinct, clever but really don't respond to the moral, philosophical challenges you otherwise seem unwilling or unable to contend with.

160 posted on 05/04/2008 9:19:06 AM PDT by freerepublic_or_die (Islam:Truly the opium of the morons with apologies to Karl Marx)
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