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One Reporter’s Opinion — Illegals Do Not Deserve Free Healthcare ( George Putnam )
newsmax.com ^ | April 17, 2008 | George Putnam

Posted on 05/03/2008 7:07:59 AM PDT by kellynla

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To: kellynla

What they deserve is one free gift from The United States Government consisting of; waiving of prosecution for illegal entry by granting permission for permanent identification by the installation of an earlobe stud containing identifying info, which can only be removed surgically, or a tattoo on a location of their choice and then immediate deportation with the understanding that they can apply for legal immigration, but people with out the ear studs or tattoos are first in line.

That ought to keep the ACLU busy for decades, thus granting the Boy Scouts, Public schools, Christian Churches, etc., relief to tend to their own business as the signers of the Constitution intended.

Sarcasm/off/??


21 posted on 05/03/2008 7:54:52 AM PDT by RedWireNut
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To: kellynla

Thank you!

ILLEGALS shouldn’t be here to begin with.


22 posted on 05/03/2008 8:00:48 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: McLynnan

bttt your post


23 posted on 05/03/2008 8:18:45 AM PDT by Guenevere (If you do not stand firm in your faith, you will not stand at all.)
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To: doug from upland

Geaorge Putnam ping


24 posted on 05/03/2008 8:21:46 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: kellynla

What would McCain do?

Grant her citizenship.


25 posted on 05/03/2008 8:35:01 AM PDT by Hop A Long Cassidy
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To: BenLurkin

Putnam is a champion on this issue. He began warning about illegal aliens over three decades ago.


26 posted on 05/03/2008 9:00:00 AM PDT by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: FORTRUTHONLY
So what do we do? Make a choice on whose life is more important?

Yes.

Great personal compassion shines through your questions. However, because this is not a private service but a government provided service, the answers are not personal. Those answers are the province of the Nation and of the Several States. Those answers must balance our society's moral obligation with its survival.

And those answers must be; that emergency medical treatment is available to all, and that longer-term government provided medical care is a privilege afforded only to citizens. These answers properly balance our society's compassion with its survival.

Remember, all resources and capacity are limited. There is no magic medical exception. Using these resources and capacity costs money. Normally people pay for it (which replenishes resources and capacity). They can do so because they have generated wealth. But some cannot pay. They do not have wealth. If government steps in and pays for them, it does so with treasure. Treasure is not wealth. Government does not generate wealth. When government expends treasure it reduces the resources of the country (society). It replenishes nothing.

That is why we keep government out of health care as much as possible. But we as society acknowledge a moral obligation to all who cannot pay for emergency medical treatment and to citizens who cannot pay for all medical treatment. That moral obligation is fulfilled through limited government intervention.

Remember, the purpose of emergency medical treatment is to remove the patient from immediate danger. It is a moral obligation for short-term care. Government provided emergency treatment of an illegal alien should be followed by immediate deportation or appropriate court action. All other government provided medical treatment to those who cannot pay is a privilege of citizens and is subject to rationing, which is a life and death decision.

Understand, government and the health care community make life and death decisions every day. This becomes mortally evident during pandemics. Then medical resources and capacity are exceeded. The health care focus shifts to saving society, not individuals. People will die based on decisions made to preserve society. That is how government legitimately functions.

And that is how it must function for people in this country illegally. Illegal aliens must never have privileges greater or even equal to that or our citizens. They must never be allowed to benefit from their crime of being in this country illegally. We afford illegal aliens emergency medical care as moral obligation. But anything more is a threat to our society and should be rejected by all our government levels.

So yes, we make the decision that our citizens are more important than illegal aliens. And we do it through laws crafted to balance moral obligations with survival. That is how a mature society remains a society. That is the price of nationhood.

27 posted on 05/03/2008 9:39:52 AM PDT by DakotaGator
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To: kellynla

The more we give, the more they feel entitled to take.


28 posted on 05/03/2008 10:05:11 AM PDT by Bullish ( Reality is the best cure for delusion.)
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To: McLynnan

“Of course none of them are insured — the Mexican drug cartel doesn’t offer group coverage”

If this wasn’t so sad, your comment would be funny!


29 posted on 05/03/2008 10:07:33 AM PDT by AuntB (Vote Obama! Because it's hard to blame 'the man' when you are the 'man')
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To: kellynla
The child underwent two liver transplants at UCLA Medical Center
as a small child in 1989, and a third in 1998 — all totally paid
for by the state of California.


I know a VERY smart lady that came (legally) to the USA from one
of the Eastern Bloc countries and is getting her MD from
the University of Southern California Med School.

Even though she does lean left politically, she candidly admitted:
"In the USA, you get TOP FLIGHT medical care if you are VERY rich,
poor, or an illegal. But if you're a legal citizen of average means,
you pay the bills and don't get much in return."
30 posted on 05/03/2008 10:11:20 AM PDT by VOA
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To: kellynla

One Reporter’s Opinion — Illegals Do Not Deserve Free Healthcare....

this ain’t just one reporter’s opinion...it is the opinion of over half the population of the US citizenry...just not that of jorge bush/juan mccain or any other lib/dem!!!!


31 posted on 05/03/2008 10:18:49 AM PDT by nyyankeefan
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To: kellynla

“Here’s to a better, stronger America.”


32 posted on 05/03/2008 10:47:19 AM PDT by Chuckster (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnoset)
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To: Liz; Calpernia; calcowgirl; indylindy; Tennessee Nana

Ping!


33 posted on 05/03/2008 12:43:29 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (If McCain really CAN "win without conservatives," then why do you care if I vote for him or not?)
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To: kellynla

The only benefit an illegal should get, is enough medical care, in an emergency, to return them to a hospital across the border.


34 posted on 05/03/2008 12:45:06 PM PDT by purpleraine
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To: kellynla
That's expensive, life-saving health care denied to Americans like you and me. We gotta exhaust our life savings and sell our homes to pay for it. But illegals get a free ride.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

35 posted on 05/03/2008 12:51:34 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: pnh102
I would deny the transplant, in a heartbeat, and have the person deported in the next heartbeat. It is a very easy decision for me to make.

I am glad you are not part of a transplant committee. Your knee-jerking reaction is just about dealing with the effect (illegals and the expenses occurred due to their presence) instead of cause (an existing immigration law which needs to be followed, dealing with mayors of "sanctuary" cities and building the darn fence).
36 posted on 05/03/2008 1:08:16 PM PDT by FORTRUTHONLY
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To: Thommas

While you all think that it is easy to tell someone that there is nothing they can do for them medically and that they are going to die, in reality, in the medical world, it’s a hard thing to do. The woman is here already, I am sure there is a way to have funds raised privately to assure she will not die.


37 posted on 05/03/2008 1:10:21 PM PDT by FORTRUTHONLY
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To: purpleraine

“The only benefit an illegal should get, is enough medical care, in an emergency, to return them to a hospital across the border.”

BINGO!

We have a winner!


38 posted on 05/03/2008 1:10:45 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: FORTRUTHONLY
Your knee-jerking reaction is just about dealing with the effect (illegals and the expenses occurred due to their presence) ...

So what? Is it OK to let a legal resident of the USA of lesser means go without a transplant so some illegal can get one on our dime?

39 posted on 05/03/2008 1:14:51 PM PDT by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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To: DakotaGator
That is the price of nationhood.

You summed it up in one sentence. And understand (all of you) that I am not not for socialized medicine, I come from a country which socialized medicine is the norm and the care of service is atrocious to the best. This is, plain and simple, sentencing a woman to death. It is easy to make assumption, pass judgment and hide behind the law because you (and I don't mean you personally) will never have to be put in the position to say no to someone knowingly that decision will guarantee her death. Being in the medical field I can assure you it's the most horrendous situation one has to handle. Sending her back to Mexico to get the transplant there is definitely a death sentence. Sending her back there because she is an illegal and knowing she will die is not what I think our nation is about and what our people are about. Again, hiding behind replies, using the forum as a buffer to pass out these judgments it's the easiest thing to do. Being in a medical committee which handles people lives and having to actually say no while looking them in their eyes is a different story.

As I said it in a previous post, this is a difficult situation to actually have to decide upon.
40 posted on 05/03/2008 1:23:27 PM PDT by FORTRUTHONLY
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