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Posted on 05/02/2008 7:17:02 PM PDT by ricks_place
Stop trying to insult your way out of the corner.
And face the reality that there are other ways to address the evils of the world:
Improper use of official force, particularly when it is motivated by animosity toward "others" isn't any more justified here than at Waco or Ruby Ridge.
Whatever you believe in, there is someone out there who thinks you are a kook because of it. In the middle east that means they can kill you, in the US it is supposed to mean they just avoid you.
(As soon as I finish school I'll try seeding my posts with Latin, it's truly impressive.)
I fail to see what your latest post has to do with any of your earlier posts other than an attempt to continue the screed. As for seeding your posts, try seeding it with an actual deductive argument. As for kooks, adults having sex with and impregnating underage girls is not my definition of a “kook.” I call those people criminals.
This will be my last try.
Achieving desirable ends does not justify improper means - regardless what you may see on television.
The state agency generated and media supported child endangerment panic is virtually the same as was used to burn Waco to the ground.
BOTH Waco and El Dorado were probably worthy of an inquiry for specific deeds.
In fact, BOTH, in my opinion, overreached the bounds we assume protect US as well as those we do not approve of.
The US has always been considered a tolerant nation; often to extremes that enemies can exploit. Hence, the agonies surrounding 'racial profiling' versus legitimate law enforcement.
"Tolerance" itself is a badly bruised concept today when it can be associated with "diversity" and all that diversity has come to imply. That's a sad and dangerous result of race/gender/status politics.
Demonizing and scattering an entire sect/cult/branch, several hundred people, because of lurid stories of their practices is a more civilized version of torch bearing villagers - or brown shirted zealots - than a legitimate exercise in crime prevention. They'd have been better off sending in the torch bearing villagers.
NOTHING in this defends or justifies rape or child abuse.
So that's my 'screed'.
Sorry it is lost on you.
Sorry that we - the US - can so easily slip our ethical moorings.
i guess the state doesn’t have to return the 400+ children though, guess they’ll still fish around for some crimes...
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So why didn't the popos round up the MEN?, just the women and kids.
Cool
But it'll take some time to find a proper retort.
Absit invidia
(I think)
So they've finally admitted that their entire 'case' was based on a tissue of lies. Well there goes any chance to prosecute any pedophiles they might have managed to catch.
Not only that, the civil suits are going to cost the citizens of Texas millions.
All this money, all this phoney baloney "we're saving the children from rapists and pedophiles" bullsh**, and not one single arrest.
Not one.
What a fricking travesty.
L
Bear in mind that both federal and state laws allow them to expropriate taxpayer funds for every single person they put into the foster home situation -- it would cost them to incarcerate the perpetrators, and they'd not get the media visibility they can milk from the Children!
No they haven't. They've just decided not to waste any more time dealing with that aspect of the case.
The whole issue about the phone call has not been determined to be true in a court of law. Until then the same people screaming about the cult's Constitutional rights are violating those of the alleged caller, who has her picture plastered all over the media, in the same way they're condemning.
Has her case been tried in a court of law? Is she not innocent until proved guilty? Has she been found guilty through a trial? Then why is everyone so convinced that this is indeed a hoax and that she did it? That has violated HER Constitutional rights, and damned her, found her guilty, without a trial, in total violation of everything they claim they believe.
Why are people so willing to treat her, an individual, differently that the cult? Do individual liberties mean that little to some folks? That's what's going to destroy our liberties. When one's fellow citizens declare someone guilty without a trial, THEN due process is being violated and that will cause more damage than anything the government has been accused of so far.
It's that kind of hypocrisy that leads people to believe that the screaming about how the case was handled with the cult is just defense of the cult.
Well there goes any chance to prosecute any pedophiles they might have managed to catch.
OH NO! We're all doomed,..... the sky is falling, .... the world is coming to an end,......
Wrong. There's still the second warrant.
All this money, all this phoney baloney "we're saving the children from rapists and pedophiles" bullsh**, and not one single arrest. Not one.
*cough* Warren Jeffs *cough*
This action should have been taken when HE was convicted through a court of law and found guilty on rape related charges. This is way overdo.
Oh? And you know this how?. You're willing to judge and condemn this alleged caller who allegedly made a phone call on evidence that's no more substantial that that which is being used against flds?
Has she stood trial? Has the evidence been presented in a court of law? Has she been found guilty by a jury of her peers?
What about her Constitutional rights? What about her right to due process? What about her being innocent until proved guilty?
All those who complain about people sitting in judgment of the flds are doing the very thing they condemn with this girl. Her picture is being plastered all over the place and she's being hung without a trial by the very folks who are screaming the loudest about Constitutional rights and due process when the flds is being condemned.
No one can say the phone call is a hoax because no one knows for sure. It has not been determined to be fact in a trial, and yet this one little tidbit released by the media that no one trusts is being treated as set in stone.
The hypocrisy is appalling.
The best one yet is that they have removed a child from a young lady who gave birth after the raid and while in state custody.
No, they haven't. The baby is technically in state custody because the mother is. That doesn't mean they physically took the baby from the mother. Unless you have sources to prove that it DID indeed happen?
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On what grounds would they have rounded up the men?
susie
I thought the men were the perps, not the women. Why effectively incarcerate the kids and separate them from the moms?
I think the order of things is you investigate before you arrest. In child abuse cases the children are removed from the home (you can call it incarceration if you like, but I would consider it protective custody).
In a case in which you appear to have everyone lying (Moms included) why would you assume they could just leave the kids with the Moms and actually get any true information from them?
I would love for the kids to be reunited with their mothers if the mothers are not involved in the abuse, however, that won’t be possible until the state can sort out who the actual parents are.
susie
The mothers are involved in their religion and that is the target. Even a new born baby that was born in the captivity of the state was removed from it’s mother. I’d love to hear anyone rationalize that move to any point of lucid logic.
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