Posted on 05/02/2008 5:54:41 PM PDT by rmlew
All I can glean from that giberish?
It appears Diana needs to get laid.
It appears Diana needs to get laid.
Isn't Wolfowitz single again?
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All I can glean from that giberish?
It appears Diana needs to get laid.
“And you need to grow up and work on your reading comprehension skills.”
Sorry..too busy getting laid.
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All I can glean from that giberish?
It appears Diana needs to get laid.
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That remark is moral giberish.
btt
Ah, Diana West. She’s been sour on the Iraq war for a long time now. Reading her columns has a kind of morbid fascination - what is the current doom and gloom on our war efforts?
That being said, I doubt Feith is entirely correct. I think that al Qaeda and the Baathists can be blamed for a great deal of the problems in post-Saddam Iraq. Al Qaeda had a strategy of inciting sectarian warfare in Iraq, and it may be that without their meddling sectarian violence never would have erupted the way it did. I’m not convinced that giving the Iraqis power immediately would have had such a chilling effect on al Qaeda terrorists - or disgruntled Baathists.
But we will never know what would have happened if the CPA was never created; we can only guess.
Look at Iraqi Kurdistan. Islam gets pushed back from political thinking, western democracy fills the void. It has a realistic chance, but it takes time... decades. Probably too long for the impatient "I want success now or never" American public. Iraq was under the most primitive and decadent tyranny for almost half a century. A lot has been achieved in 5 years.
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All I can glean from that giberish?
It appears Diana needs to get laid.
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That remark is moral giberish.”
And yours is Moral snootyness...Otay butweet?
Put it this way..If I hadnt seen the scource and read the article..I would have assumed it came from MSMNC or the daily KOS...
You wanna go back in time and cry over spilt milf...er milk (feudian slip) be my guest....but understand...it’s generally considered a liberal trait.
“My opinion is that she is trying to point out that the architects of the war thought that Iraqi’s would react rationally to the overthrow of Saddam, but they did not and the reason they did not is tied more to Islam than to any local political issues. Should that be the case, then nation building in Islamic countries, unlike places like Germany or Japan, is doomed to failure.”
Thank you Mr Obvious...I had no clue that’s what she is saying...
Der...
To put it more clearly...she’s a racist...she view’s the arab man as incapable of the gift of liberty...
Sorry..I dont see it that way.
That doesnt mean it’s going to be easy.
OK...guess someone has to do it...
*snicker*
Duty calls....
LOL
Your welcome for what you understood, but her concern is not with ‘Arab man’ as a race of some sort, but with Islamists, Muslims, followers of a 7th century religious creed that has never reconciled with the modern world and as such she hardly presents a racial issue and there is no reason to use the unthinking, catchall, epitaph ‘racist’.
I think that’s a good take on the article. West is right about some things, but her consistent insistence in denigrating Islamic culture as being “barbaric” and 6th century merely displays her ignorance of history, including the history of western culture—which itself was saved by the fact that Islamic scholars preserved so much of the classical culture that invigorated the Renaissance. But I digress.
You are correct to point to the Baathists as the main wellspring of problems in the early stages. Too many people miss the fact that the Baathists are, at root, anti-clerical and for the most part, National Socialists. They are little different from Nazis in terms of their views toward economics and society. They were the main players in the initial insurgency and opened the door (literally) to al-Qaeda when their “stay behind” operations were falling apart. I think there’s little doubt that the CPA was a mistake, if for no other reason than that it delayed a decisive elimination of the insurgency before it turned into a proxy war between the US and its regional enemies. I don’t think the Iranian play would have amounted to much either were it not for the fact that the CPA was so inept at dealing with the Baathist stay-behind operation. The US could have dealt Sadr a fatal blow in 2004 but chose not to in the mistaken belief that Sadr’s army might be of aid in the fight against the insurgency.
Democracy has taken root in Islamic nations at several junctures—it has been because of the misinformed, like West, that those efforts resulted in failure. By not nurturing nascent democracies in Iran, Lebanon, etc., in the 1950s, the US and Europe missed tremendous opporunities to transform international relations.
The current problems in Islamic nations, particularly Iraq and Syria, have far more to do with the invidious influence of French expatriates living in Damascus in the 1940s and 50s, who inspired so-called Arab nationalism, tinged, of course, with socialism. Islamic radicalism is largely a reaction against those influences.
That said, Iraq absolutely can be transformed into a democratic state. The fact that its democracy may not look like Main street is no more cause for distress than the fact that democracy in India (the largest democratic nation on earth) is somewhat different too.
I gather this is some sort of racist screed that Arabs are too stupid to do democracy.
I don't recall "presto," but I DO recall multiple iterations of "long, hard and difficult."
“Your welcome for what you understood, but her concern is not with ‘Arab man’ as a race of some sort, but with Islamists, Muslims, followers of a 7th century religious creed that has never reconciled with the modern world and as such she hardly presents a racial issue and there is no reason to use the unthinking, catchall, epitaph ‘racist’.”
Ok..Bigot if you prefer...
Question:
Is liberty itself simply a western value?
Something the dirty islamic barbarians just cant grasp?
Or is it a small minority that clings to power...power through ignorance...power through hatred...power through abuse of their fellow man...power through death and fear of the innocent?
I want you to think of something:
If the least of them is not worth our effort...who amongst us is worthy of our own liberty??
You?...Diana?
Watch what people are cynical about, and one can often discover what they lack....George S. Patton
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