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1 posted on 05/01/2008 2:34:20 PM PDT by vadum
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because they want to destroy civilization, primarily american civilization

it sounds bitter and reactionary, but it’s the truth.


2 posted on 05/01/2008 2:38:37 PM PDT by rightwinggoth
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Recently the founder of Greenpeace stated that he is pro-nuke and he doesn’t know if there is global warming or if man could be the cause of it if there was.


3 posted on 05/01/2008 2:43:21 PM PDT by stockpirate (Be a MAVERICK in the GOP , go against the wishes of our nominee John McCain!)
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Now he just needs to get the rest of the green idiots in support of nuclear.

Or is it just American nuclear reactors they hate? Never hear about them protesting Chinese, Japanese, or French nuclear reactors.

4 posted on 05/01/2008 2:49:19 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Party ahead of principles; eventually you'll be selling out anything to anyone for the right price.)
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To: vadum
If you want to understand the energy racket, albeit through the lens of the California Power Crisis, consider this lengthy post.
6 posted on 05/01/2008 3:18:57 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers us three choices: surrender, kill them, or die.)
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To: vadum; TenthAmendmentChampion; Horusra; CygnusXI; Fiddlstix; Timeout; Entrepreneur; ...
 




Beam me to Planet Gore !

8 posted on 05/01/2008 3:38:22 PM PDT by steelyourfaith
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Green is a thorn in Americas a##
The reason why we are in this energy mess
WE NEED TO DRILL HERE AND ALASKA
WE NEED TO DRILL OFF OUR SHORES
WE NEED TO BUILD REFINERIES
WE NEED TO BUILD NUCLEAR REACTORS
WE NEED TO NUETER THESE ECO TERRORISTS!


9 posted on 05/01/2008 3:58:13 PM PDT by ronnie raygun (I'd rather be hunting with dick than driving with Ted)
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To: vadum

10 posted on 05/01/2008 5:07:52 PM PDT by G8 Diplomat
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No oil. No coal. No nuclear. No wind turbines if they block their view. Give it time, they find something bad with solar power too.

What the do these watermelons want? They should be ridiculed and ignored!


11 posted on 05/01/2008 5:30:54 PM PDT by Tatze (I'm in a state of taglinelessness!)
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To: vadum; Tatze

Wind turbines produce electricity intermittently, but CONSUME it continuously:

A Problem With Wind Power
[www.aweo.org/windbackup.html]

by Eric Rosenbloom

Output figures from wind developers are typically annual averages expressed in the vague figure of “number of homes provided for.” Homes, however, account for only a third of all electricity use, and electricity represents only a third of all energy consumption (only a fifth in Vermont). Further, home use of electricity varies widely through the day, week, and year, but wind plants generate electricity by the whims of the wind rather than the actual needs of the grid.

As averages, the figures ignore the fact that hour to hour, day to day, season to season, even the most windy sites experience periods of calm when the turbines are producing no electricity at all and cycles of slower wind when they are producing far less than their maximum capacity. When the wind is too fast, the turbines must shut down to avoid damage.

This variability, they say, is balanced by wiring up a multitude of sites, one of which at any time must surely be producing significant power. Instead of a “free and clean” source of energy, then, the necessary proposal is an expensive network of redundant installations that must fill most of our land and seascapes to make any meaningful contribution.

Despite local variabilities, however, the overall rise and fall of the wind is generally the same over the larger region. The grid must plan for the likely low point, i.e., the least power it may see from all of the attached wind plants. Large power plants cannot respond quickly to the hourly variations of the wind, so they must be already going when the power from the wind plants drops off.

There are solutions to this on a small scale, but for most grid systems, any power produced by wind plants is therefore in practice superfluous. The backup generation is already providing it.

On top of this uselessness, the turbines use a great deal of electricity themselves. Most of them cannot even run without input from the grid. Although they produce electricity intermittently, they consume it continuously. In every report I’ve seen, input from the grid is not accounted for in the figures of net output. Specifications from turbine manufacturers do not include the amount of electricity they require.

It may be that large wind turbines use as much electricity as they produce. Whether the wind is blowing in the desired range or not, they need power to keep the generator magnetized, to keep the blade and generator assembly (92 tons on a 1.5-MW GE) facing the wind, to periodically spin that assembly to unwind the cables in the tower, to heat the blades in icy conditions, to start the blades turning when the wind is just getting fast enough to keep them going, to keep the blades pitched to spin at a regular rate, and to run the lights and internal control and communication systems.

It is clear that industrial wind generation is not able to contribute anything against the problems of global warming, pollution, nuclear waste, or dependence on imports. In Denmark, with the most per-capita wind turbines in the world, the output from wind facilities equals 15%-20% of their electricity consumption. The Copenhagen newspaper Politiken reported, however, that wind provided only 1.7% of the electricity actually used in 1999. The grid manager for western Denmark reported that in 2002 84% of their wind-generated electricity had to be exported, i.e., dumped at extreme discount. The turbines are often shut down, because it is so rare that good wind coincides with peaking demand. A director of the western Denmark utility has stated that wind turbines do not reduce CO2 emissions, the primary marker of fossil fuel use.

But industrial wind facilities are not just useless. They destroy the land, birds and bats, and the lives of their neighbors. Off shore, they endanger ships and boats and their low-frequency noise is likely harmful to sea mammals. They require subsidies and regulatory favors to make investment viable. They do not move us towards more sustainable energy sources and stand instead as monuments of delusion.

— December 2004

for the complete paper, including many links, click below
“A Problem With Wind Power”
[www.aweo.org]


12 posted on 05/01/2008 8:44:32 PM PDT by mtntop3
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To: vadum

Nuke enery is such a good deal

http://www.kiddofspeed.com/chapter1.html

Interesting pics of a well known nuke plant.


13 posted on 05/01/2008 8:57:51 PM PDT by ASOC (Training Storungen werden auf Papier notiert. Taktische Storungen werden im Stein geatzt. Gen Rommel)
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