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To: Wolfie
We make a grave mistake by assuming that the ABSENCE of DNA evidence, or the PRESENCE of foreign DNA evidence, means all these hundreds of released men are in fact innocent.

It is quite possible that many of these men could not have been convicted in a courtroom today. But, that would mean they are Not Guilty, or Not Prosecuted, which is not the same thing as innocent.

Think about the three things that HAD to have happened for ALL these innocent men to be convicted.

ALL the crimes HAD to take place during a period of time when these innocent men had no credible witnesses to being someplace else.

ALL the crimes HAD to take place at a location the innocent men could plausibly get to.

Almost ALL the real criminals HAD to have some physical resemblance to the innocent men, since most of these cases involve eyewitness testimony.

That is one giant heap of bad luck, isn't it?

If you tell me innocent men have been sent to prison, I believe you.

When you tell me that HUNDREDS of innocent men have been convicted of murder or rape, I flat out do not believe that.

3 posted on 05/01/2008 2:17:17 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: zeestephen
Think about the three things that HAD to have happened for ALL these innocent men to be convicted.

In addition to these three things you mentioned we can also add overzealous prosecutors, shoddy police work, botched investigations that focus on only one suspect, incompetent public defenders, emotionally exhausted juries, and several other factors that could lead to innocent men being convicted.

With 2+ million Americans behind bars I have no doubt that there could be hundreds of innocent people. I also have no doubt that innocent men have been executed.

6 posted on 05/01/2008 2:49:45 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: zeestephen
But, that would mean they are Not Guilty, or Not Prosecuted, which is not the same thing as innocent.

There's no such thing as an 'innocent' verdict: innocence is presumed unless proven otherwise, which means these guys are as innocent as you are.

7 posted on 05/01/2008 3:00:00 PM PDT by Grut
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To: zeestephen

“That is one giant heap of bad luck, isn’t it?”

Nope. You have no idea how many times a day you fall into every single one of those points. You;ll find out if anyone ever points a finger at you though, and at the time in question you were alone sleeping, or watching a DVD, or reading a book, or doing your taxes ......

One of the demonstrably innocent guys in one of the cable channels shows on the subject was ID’d by a woman who was raped for a period of hours by a guy NOT WEARING A DISGUISE OR MASK. She ID’d him a mere 3 hours after the rape ended.

I’m waiting for someone to do a study on the gender of the eyewitnesses who get these “criminals” locked up. I’m betting it doesn’t break anywhere near 50/50. (just a lurking suspicion)


8 posted on 05/01/2008 3:16:36 PM PDT by TalBlack
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To: zeestephen
Almost ALL the real criminals HAD to have some physical resemblance to the innocent men, since most of these cases involve eyewitness testimony.

Non-blacks have difficulty telling young black men apart.

9 posted on 05/01/2008 3:20:08 PM PDT by Strategerist
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