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A timeline key events that led to discovery of Austria incest dungeon
AP via International Herald Tribune ^ | 5/1/08

Posted on 05/01/2008 11:14:16 AM PDT by wideminded

A chronology of the events that led to the discovery that Josef Fritzl, 73, had locked up his daughter in an cellar dungeon for 24 years and fathered her seven children, based on police statements:

_ April 19: Fritzl brings a 19-year-old woman to the intensive ward of the Provincial Clinic, in the lower Austrian town of Amstetten.

He tells staff that the woman, Kerstin, is his granddaughter and that he found her in front of his door, left there by his daughter who disappeared decades ago to join a sect.

_ April 22: Lower Austrian police ask for DNA samples from Kerstin's blood and order DNA testing of Fritzl, his wife and their children as they try to establish the identity of the patient.

_ April 25: Regional television broadcasts an appeal from hospital officials appealing to the mother of Kerstin to come to the clinic and help them put together a history of the patient.

_ April 26: Fritzl and Elisabeth appear at the clinic, along with two children — Kerstin's siblings who, like Kerstin, were born and raised in the secret dungeon.

Shortly after they appear, an anonymous tipster calls police with suspicions that the statements given by Fritzl and Elisabeth seem implausible.

(Excerpt) Read more at iht.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: amstetten; austria; dungeon; fritzl
This new timeline does not match previous stories in a number of respects. For instance it says that the two youngest children were brought to the hospital by Fritzl and his daughter.
1 posted on 05/01/2008 11:14:17 AM PDT by wideminded
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To: wideminded

Fritzl probably made the older boy stay in the dungeon as a threat to Elizabeth.


2 posted on 05/01/2008 11:20:22 AM PDT by fetal heart beats by 21st day (Defending human life is not a federalist issue. It is the business of all of humanity.)
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To: wideminded

What a tragic story...


3 posted on 05/01/2008 11:20:55 AM PDT by mel
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To: fetal heart beats by 21st day

How do you figure that?
I read somewhere that he didn’t want the crybabies.
it is even amazing, he didn’t just take them and dump them somewhere.


4 posted on 05/01/2008 11:25:46 AM PDT by mel
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To: fetal heart beats by 21st day

There were only three total children in the dungeon. The story describes them all being brought to the hospital by Fritzl.


5 posted on 05/01/2008 11:26:03 AM PDT by wideminded
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To: wideminded

I’m so saddened and disgusted by this story that I find it hard to talk about.

One thing that bothers me is the perp’s wife. I find it hard to believe that she never suspected that something strange was going on. Where were all those babies coming from? What was her husband doing down in the basement all the time?

And the neighbors, or the nurses at the hospital, noticed nothing? Very strange.


6 posted on 05/01/2008 11:38:33 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: wideminded

“April 26: Fritzl and Elisabeth appear at the clinic, along with two children — Kerstin’s siblings who, like Kerstin, were born and raised in the secret dungeon.”

“with two children:

I see nothing about “all.”


7 posted on 05/01/2008 11:49:33 AM PDT by fetal heart beats by 21st day (Defending human life is not a federalist issue. It is the business of all of humanity.)
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To: mel

As sick and evil a pig as this guy was, he was probably grooming a replacement.


8 posted on 05/01/2008 11:51:02 AM PDT by fetal heart beats by 21st day (Defending human life is not a federalist issue. It is the business of all of humanity.)
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To: wideminded

I see what you’re saying. Sorry. Kerstin was the third child.


9 posted on 05/01/2008 11:52:37 AM PDT by fetal heart beats by 21st day (Defending human life is not a federalist issue. It is the business of all of humanity.)
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To: Cicero
And the neighbors, or the nurses at the hospital, noticed nothing?

I think that the "anonymous tipster" in the article was probably a nurse.

10 posted on 05/01/2008 11:57:21 AM PDT by wideminded
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To: wideminded

Does it seem to you guys that we are suddenly finding more and more men have been holding women and girls as “sex slaves”?

Why do you think this is?


11 posted on 05/01/2008 12:06:35 PM PDT by Appleby
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To: wideminded

The problem here is that you run into the difficulty of separating legitimate cases of abuse with political cases of abuse such as Koresh and Waco. Bureaucrats do not differentiate, they follow directives and live only to protect their butts. Handing nothing more than the suspicion of abuse over to a bureacrat is basically enabling a prejudicial sentence of guilty. How many parents have lost custody of their children through allegations and the bureacratic need to support their existence by justifying those allegations? Bureaucrats are unrepentant idiots; observe the firing of the child porn librarian. The citizen MUST develop expertise in this and many other matters that effect the well being of the nation state. With the Internet this is possible. Online watchdog committees will become a branch of government.

What is needed is a Dr. Phil, or pop psychologist of your choosing, educating the public to differentiate between chargeable offenses and the busybody imperative.


12 posted on 05/01/2008 12:48:55 PM PDT by Yollopoliuhqui
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To: wideminded

Yes, finally. But it took 24 years before someone noticed, apparently.

If your husband kept bringing mysterious children up out of the basement, where he seemed to spend much of his time, wouldn’t you wonder what was going on?


13 posted on 05/01/2008 2:21:10 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero

“Where were all those babies coming from?”

He kept saying his daughter (who was in a cult) would appear on the door step and drop off the children.

“What was her husband doing down in the basement all the time?”

Probably thinking he was doing the same thing completely normal American men do in the garage.


14 posted on 05/01/2008 2:31:57 PM PDT by Yitzchak (The arabs do not respect power; they worship it.)
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To: Appleby
It seems like there have been a number of cases in Europe in the past 10 years where girls were kept against their will But I recall hearing of a few cases in the US going back over 20 years. I'm not sure that the number is increasing rapidly, although it seems to be increasing. It probably is similar to the trend in other sorts of crimes like serial killings. One theory I have heard is that in the old days people who showed unusual criminal behavior in their youth were often just locked up for good.

Obviously the morally degenerate criminals of today are affected by things that happened in their youth. In the case of Fritzl, he was a boy during WWII. All these people all clearly sociopathic and have no empathy for the feelings of others, so what causes an increase in that?

15 posted on 05/01/2008 2:57:50 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: Yitzchak; Cicero
"Fritzl's sister-in-law, identified by the Austrian press as Christine R., told reporters that Fritzl would visit the cellar at 9 a.m. each morning "apparently to draw plans for machines, which he sold to firms." - link

Fritzl is some type of engineer.

16 posted on 05/01/2008 3:03:50 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: Yollopoliuhqui

I guess I don’t understand what the problem you describe has to do with this case.


17 posted on 05/01/2008 3:13:44 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: Appleby
Why do you think this is?

Improved news coverage?

18 posted on 05/01/2008 4:44:30 PM PDT by Michael.SF. ("democrat" -- 'one who panders to the crude and mindless whims of the masses " - Joseph J. Ellis)
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To: wideminded

Horrifying cases such as this tend to make for knee-jerk legislative responses, to the point that such cases can be provoked and engineered specifically to take away liberty and add to police power while seeming to be random acts of sociopathology. It is not so in this case, but in others it has been, such as the legendary North Hollywood Bank of America shootout.


19 posted on 05/02/2008 9:13:12 AM PDT by Yollopoliuhqui
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