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To: kabar

I disagree on both points. If by disobeying our laws, you are referring to immigration laws, I think those should have been changed a long time ago, as they were unenforced and unenforceable. And I think as a nation we should encourage citizenship for the people who are living here.


20 posted on 05/01/2008 6:56:08 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: babble-on

I disagree on both points. If by disobeying our laws, you are referring to immigration laws, I think those should have been changed a long time ago, as they were unenforced and unenforceable. And I think as a nation we should encourage citizenship for the people who are living here.

Uneforced yes. Unenforceable huh uh. The lack of enforcement has been by design. You crack down on the employer and the illegals will go home. No work no stay. I rather imagine that you are all for opening up our border to the third world nation of Mexico and points south also. Aren’t you marching today?


22 posted on 05/01/2008 7:02:12 AM PDT by Sterco
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To: babble-on

I disagree on both points. If by disobeying our laws, you are referring to immigration laws, I think those should have been changed a long time ago, as they were unenforced and unenforceable. And I think as a nation we should encourage citizenship for the people who are living here.

Uneforced yes. Unenforceable huh uh. The lack of enforcement has been by design. You crack down on the employer and the illegals will go home. No work no stay. I rather imagine that you are all for opening up our border to the third world nation of Mexico and points south also. Aren’t you marching today?


23 posted on 05/01/2008 7:03:49 AM PDT by Sterco
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To: babble-on
If by disobeying our laws, you are referring to immigration laws, I think those should have been changed a long time ago, as they were unenforced and unenforceable.

Sorry, but you don't get to choose what laws to obey and not obey. I disagree with your basic premise. The laws are not unenforceable, and in fact they are being enforced in a half-hearted way. We are a sovereign nation, which has defineable and enforceable borders. No country in the world allows people to enter their country without permission, i.e., legally. How would you change the laws?

And I think as a nation we should encourage citizenship for the people who are living here..

Only if they are in this country legally. We do have a system that allows Legal Permanent Residents, i.e., those with green cards, to apply for and receive citizenship. If you subscribe to the idea that anyone who gets into this country, even illegally, should be allowed to stay and become citizens, then there will be billions who will see that signal and try to get here.

I hope you understand that if you legalize the status of illegals already here, they can in turn sponsor tens of millions more LEGAL immigrants thru chain migration, i.e., family reunification. Even if you assume that there are only 12 million illegals here now, that would result in an additional 66 MILLION LEGAL IMMIGRANTS per the Heritage Foundation estimate made by Robert Rector. We can't absorb those kinds of numbers.

26 posted on 05/01/2008 7:24:37 AM PDT by kabar
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To: babble-on
Buy a condo in a building where the board refuses tosecure the lobby or pay for proper doors for all apartments. Then come home one day to find a stranger living in your apartment. Then be asked to put him on the lease.
That is the equivalent of what you are suggesting.
50 posted on 05/01/2008 3:09:01 PM PDT by rmlew (There is no god but G_d and Moses is his Prophet.)
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To: babble-on

Did you honestly say that because you disagree with a law it is ok to disobey it?
susie


54 posted on 05/02/2008 5:21:09 AM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: babble-on

President Eisenhower did quite a good job at enforcing the immigration laws. It can be done again.


60 posted on 05/05/2008 6:21:16 PM PDT by MSF BU (++)
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