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FLDS doctor denies abuse at YFZ Ranch (YFZ/fLDS Daily Thread - 5/1/08)
The Salt Lake Tribune ^ | 05/01/2008 | Heather May & Brooke Adams

Posted on 05/01/2008 6:01:31 AM PDT by MizSterious

FLDS doctor denies abuse at YFZ Ranch

By Heather May
and Brooke Adams
The Salt Lake Tribune
Salt Lake Tribune
The physician who cares for the polygamous community now in the national spotlight - and who has treated its prophet in a Utah jail - is described by his mentor as "very kind, very sensitive, very concerned."

    Lloyd H. Barlow, a member of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, graduated from the University of Utah's School of Medicine in 1995.

    He completed a one-year internship in internal medicine in 1996, and then did a family medicine residency at the U. that ended in 1999.

    Barlow oversees a health clinic in Hildale, the sect's traditional home base, and its Texas clinic at its YFZ Ranch. Texas authorities allege there is a pattern of sexual abuse of underage girls at the ranch; and on Wednesday an official said at least 41 children there have had broken bones. He also said young boys may have been sexually abused.

    Barlow flatly denies that any child abuse occurred at the ranch.

    "There is not," Barlow said. "The parents are very loving and caring parents, as I believe [Texas child welfare officials] could attest given the stresses put on them over the past three weeks and observing them. The parents are very much interested in the care and well-being of their children."

    He added: "It is part of our belief system that the way to teach and train children is to deal with them and train them in kindness."

    Physicians are legally required to report cases of suspected child abuse - something Barlow said he would have done if he found such evidence.

   
Texas authorities would not comment Wednesday on whether investigations include whether anyone failed to report abuse of children at the ranch. Barlow said children with serious illnesses or injuries were treated at health care facilities outside the ranch, and police found receipts for such care, court records show.

   
There have been no public complaints against Barlow or discipline by licensors in Utah or Texas.

   
Physician Marc E. Babitz was Barlow's faculty supervisor during his residency program and worked with him at a now-closed family practice clinic in Salt Lake City.

    "He was really a very fine student and a very fine resident. He put the welfare of his patients as his top priority," said Babitz, who once visited Barlow at the Hildale clinic. He said he was once introduced to one of Barlow's wives.

    Until Barlow completed his medical degree, Hildale and the adjoining FLDS town of Colorado City, Ariz., had a single nurse practitioner to rely on.

    "He made a huge difference to health care in this area," said Joanne Yarrish, a certified nurse midwife in nearby Centennial Park.

    Barlow repeatedly visited then-ailing sect leader Warren S. Jeffs in the Washington County jail in the spring of 2007. Jeffs was awaiting trial and was later convicted of two first-degree felony counts of rape as an accomplice for his role in a 2001 spiritual marriage between a 14-year-old follower and her 19-year-old cousin.

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    * JULIA LYON contributed to this report.


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1 posted on 05/01/2008 6:01:32 AM PDT by MizSterious
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2 posted on 05/01/2008 6:05:07 AM PDT by MizSterious (The Republican Party is infected with the RINO-virus)
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To: MizSterious

“FLDS doctor denies abuse at YFZ Ranch”

Shocker! A culpable pary denying wrong-doing.


3 posted on 05/01/2008 6:06:18 AM PDT by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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"He said he was once introduced to one of Barlow's wives."

How many does he have?

4 posted on 05/01/2008 6:06:58 AM PDT by Enosh (†)
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Petition asks for FLDS kids to go back to moms

The Salt Lake Tribune
Salt Lake Tribune
An amended petition filed Wednesday asks the Texas Third Court of Appeals to return children taken from a polygamous sect's ranch to their mothers.
    Texas RioGrande Legal Aid (TRLA) said "at most" the Department of Family and Protective Services showed that only one group of children - girls 15 and over - were at risk because of underage marriage practices of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
    Instead, the state removed all children based on future risk and without considering less-traumatic alternatives for the children, TRLA argues.
    The children's safety could be ensured by less-intrusive measures, such as requiring the women and men to live apart while the department completes its investigation, the filing states.
    "The department cannot dispute that removing fewer men from the premises is more reasonable and less destructive than removing hundreds of children from their homes and separating all of them from their mothers," the filing said.
    Angie Voss, a lead investigator for Texas Child Protective Services, said during a two-day court hearing that that proposal wouldn't work because the ranch could not be secured.
    The mothers "are not asking to return to life as it was before their children were removed," the petition said. "They are not seeking to stop the department's investigation. They only want possession of their children, subject to any reasonable conditions the department and the trial court wish to impose."
    The legal aid firm filed the petition on behalf of 38 FLDS mothers. The state's response is due Friday.
    - Brooke Adams

Source: The Salt Lake Tribune.


5 posted on 05/01/2008 6:08:25 AM PDT by MizSterious (The Republican Party is infected with the RINO-virus)
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To: L98Fiero

Amazing that he didn’t notice that minors were pregnant. I bet they yank this guy’s ticket before this is over.


6 posted on 05/01/2008 6:09:14 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: MizSterious

Well if the cult’s own DOCTOR says there is no problem, there MUST be no problem, right?

I mean, he had to take that there “hippocritical” oath and all, right?

In all seriousness, I only wish the police and CPS had done a little more investigation BEFORE the raid, taken a little more time to build their case, and had not based their raid on a questionable warrant. That way the prosecution of the perpetrators (IF they ever actually start arresting the actual perpetrators) could be a “slam-dunk”.

Unfortunately, because of apparent investigative incompetence there will be legal and constitutional questions about this case from now until doomsday. I doubt justice will ever REALLY be done. All because of apparently very lazy investigative police work PRIOR to the raid.

It’s a shame.


7 posted on 05/01/2008 6:10:50 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: MizSterious
Lloyd H. Barlow, a member of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, graduated from the University of Utah's School of Medicine in 1995.

Why, of course the good doctor would deny that any abuse occurred at YFZ since he is in fact a member of the Barlow family and FLDS.

Puh-leeeze!

8 posted on 05/01/2008 6:11:15 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("We must not forget that there is a war on and our troops are in the thick of it!"--Duncan Hunter)
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Polygamist sect condemns report of boys being abused

SAN ANTONIO - Texas child welfare authorities are looking at the possibility that young boys were sexually abused at a polygamist sect's ranch, a newly revealed angle of a massive investigation triggered by allegations that girls were forced into underage marriages and sex.

Carey Cockerell, the head of the state's Department of Family and Protective Services, told state lawmakers Wednesday that his agency was investigating whether young boys were abused based on "discussions with the boys."

In a written report, the agency said interviews and journal entries suggested young boys may have been sexually abused, but it didn't elaborate.

Cockerell also said 41 FLDS children, some of whom are "very young," had evidence of broken bones.

Members of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, the renegade Mormon sect that runs the ranch, reacted sharply to Cockerell's comments, saying the state was deliberately misleading the public to cover up its own errors in the case. A physician at the ranch who is also an FLDS member said most of the broken bones were from minor falls and that there is no pattern of abuse there.

Excerpt. Read the rest at source: News&Observer.com.

9 posted on 05/01/2008 6:11:52 AM PDT by MizSterious (The Republican Party is infected with the RINO-virus)
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To: AppyPappy

“I bet they yank this guy’s ticket before this is over.”

That’s my guess as well.


10 posted on 05/01/2008 6:13:26 AM PDT by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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The Rescue of Children from the FLDS Compound in Texas: Why the Arguments Claiming Due Process Violations and Religious Freedom Infringement Have No Merit


By MARCI HAMILTON
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Thursday, May. 01, 2008

Recently, Texas authorities entered the Yearning for Zion (YFZ) Ranch, which is one of the Fundamentalist Latter Day Saints (FLDS) compounds, with a warrant based on calls from a person who alleged that she was an underage girl being subjected to physical and sexual abuse, including rape, at the Ranch. Once the authorities entered, though, they discovered pregnant underage girls, girls with more than one child, papers indicating that rampant polygamy was occurring at YFZ, and even a document involving cyanide poisoning. The authorities then intelligently made the decision that they had to remove all of the children from a situation that posed obvious and serious danger to them.

Lawyers for the FLDS members – who reside not only at YFZ but also at compounds located in Arizona, Utah, South Dakota, and Bountiful, British Columbia, Canada -- have been arguing in the press that the entry and removal of the children constituted a "massive" violation of due process. Others have argued that the authorities' actions represent the unfair targeting of one religion.


Each of these arguments is singularly misguided.

The Due Process Argument: Whether or Not the Caller Was Legitimate, the Important Point is the Lack of Any Government Misconduct and the Serious Evidence of Crimes to Children

There are now allegations that the calls to the authorities spurring the raid were placed by a woman who was not within the YFZ compound. Even if proven, however, this claim would not affect the validity of the authorities' actions. Absent clear evidence that the state fabricated the call or misled the judge who granted the initial search warrant, neither of which seems remotely plausible, the entry cannot be faulted on constitutional grounds. Once the authorities were inside, the evidence of criminal behavior was so plainly apparent that further investigation was more than warranted.

No self-respecting child protective agency could have departed from that compound without taking all of the children away as well. The authorities revealed this week that 31 out of the 53 underage YFZ girls have been pregnant and/or are pregnant now. Imminent risk of harm, the legal standard that bound the authorities, was apparent, and indeed, a decision to leave the children in that setting would have opened up the state to liability. The key point here is that children were being abused, and were very likely to be abused in the future, and, worse, this was occurring in an atmosphere where the adults seemed incapable of apprehending the depth of the criminal behavior they were committing.

It is just as though the state had entered a drug den on the basis of reports about one child's abuse, and discovered a bevy of children in a position likely to lead to neglect and mistreatment. In such a hypothetical, surely no one would contest the appropriateness of removing children from that setting. The religious cloak here does not forestall the proper operation of the child protective authorities.

Despite the large number of children who were taken, what happened in Eldorado is really no different than any other situation where the state investigates alleged abuse, substantiates a risk of harm, and takes action to protect all those children who might be subject to such harm. Arguments that children should not be separated from their mothers simply have no purchase in a circumstance where it is apparent that the mothers are incapable or unwilling to protect their children from sexual or other abuse.

Before criticizing the Texas authorities who have witnessed the operation of the FLDS firsthand, one must stop to think with a clear head about what was going on in this compound. This is a conspiracy of adults to commit systematic child sex abuse, where the men and the women force their girls to be "married" to much older men in order to have their many children, and where they groom their boys to be the next generation of abusers, and then abandon some of their own boys in order to keep the numbers favorable for the abusing men.

A Sect In Deep Denial of Its Crimes Cannot Be Trusted with Its Children

What is most striking here is that not a single adult from the ranch or the sect has been willing to admit to the obvious cycle of severe child sexual abuse. One of the most chilling statements I have ever witnessed – and I have focused specifically upon the arena of organizational child abuse, including within the Catholic Church – was that of the mother who would not answer a reporter's question whether girls were married off to much older men, but rather asserted that whatever happened there happened out of "love."

There is widespread knowledge about the practices of the FLDS, which has been practicing polygamy and child sex abuse for over a century. This organization traces its roots back to the founder of Mormonism, Joseph Smith, who mandated polygamy in the mid-Nineteenth Century. (Importantly, the mainstream Church of Jesus Christ Latter-Day Saints, or Mormon Church, publicly renounced the practice at the end of the Nineteenth Century and again at the start of the Twentieth. Thus, it would be a grave error to confuse FLDS with LDS or Mormonism.)

The recent Utah trial of the FLDS prophet Warren Jeffs documented the practice of elders arranging and encouraging the sexual abuse of underage girls. (Jeffs, as readers may recall, was ultimately apprehended for his brazen Mann Act violations, consisting of transporting girls across state and international boundaries to be delivered to FLDS men, after the FBI finally placed him on its Ten Most Wanted List.) So did the earlier trial of Tom Green in Utah. Moreover, numerous well-documented publications have detailed terrifying and illegal behaviors including Carolyn Jessops' Escape, her account of escaping the sect; Andrea Emmitt Moore's account of ten fundamentalist polygamist sects, God's Brothel; and Jon Krakauer's Under the Banner of Heaven – among others. I wrote about the FLDS in my book God vs. the Gavel: Religion and the Rule of Law, and have been writing columns on the FLDS such as this one for years.

And if the already disseminated knowledge about the FLDS is not enough, we have reports this week alleging an FLDS baby graveyard with 200 graves between the Arizona and Utah compounds. Advocates are telling us that these graves are the result of brutal abuse of young children to obtain their obedience, and likely medical neglect and the genetic deformities that result from generations of inbreeding.

Yet, many have argued there was a violation of due process as though the authorities are required to be intentionally ignorant about the communities within their jurisdiction. FLDS lawyers have been floating to the press and public the bizarre notion that authorities were required to enter the compound with a mental blank slate, as though they knew absolutely nothing about the FLDS. It is a position that defies common sense. While authorities need probable cause for a particular raid, they do not have to act stupid once they are inside a criminal organization, whether it is a religious group, the mob, or a drug cartel. Indeed, it is law enforcement's obligation to be informed about likely criminal conduct in their jurisdiction. That includes orchestrated child abuse.

Why Texas Authorities Deserve Credit for Good Judgment—and the ACLU for Bad

You have to give the Texas authorities credit for putting the interests of the children first. In contrast, Utah and the FBI have focused on one man at a time, an approach that appears to have done next to nothing to stop the entrenched cycle of abuse within the system. In contrast, the authorities in Arizona, Utah, and South Dakota, where other FLDS compounds are situated, have made it very clear that they would never follow the Texas authorities' lead of taking all of the children away from obvious danger.

Indeed, the Utah Attorney General was actually peeved that Texas would make such a bold move, because it had the capacity to undermine his increasingly friendly relations with the FLDS in Utah, while the Arizona Attorney General sent out a general press release essentially telling the citizens of Arizona not to expect any dramatic rescue of children obviously at high risk of abuse, because Arizona law just does not permit it. The latter has yet to explain precisely why he believes children at imminent risk of harm cannot be brought to safety in that state (and if he believes that is the law, surely he should call for a change in it!). In South Dakota, the authorities say they are awaiting some triggering event that will permit them to check on the girls and women.

It really is remarkable – American law enforcement routinely infiltrates criminal organizations where the issues are drugs and money, but when the issue is widespread child abuse, they "have to" sit on their hands until somehow, some way one of those on the inside of a cult invites them inside. If any court finds that the rescue of the FLDS children -- in light of the evidence gathered on the basis of a good faith warrant during the raid and the evidence now piling up -- is a due process violation, then it will be a giant step backward for the civil rights of children everywhere. Let's hope we won't see that erroneous ruling ever made.

Predictably, the ACLU has chosen to take the side in opposition to the children, publicly wringing its hands over the process as it applies to the adults. It is one of the most underexamined phenomena in the American civil rights movement that the organization that has considered itself such a champion of individual rights has had such a consistently insensitive attitude toward the bodily suffering of children. We are in the midst of a civil rights movement for children, yet the ACLU is woefully lagging behind.

Free Exercise: An Even Weaker Argument than Due Process, For Belief Is No Defense to Crime

The even weaker argument circulating, once again encouraged by the FLDS lawyers, is that the rescue somehow violated the FLDS's right to the freedom of religion. There are two underlying theories, neither of which has much traction – for good reason, because both should be quickly dismissed as totally unconvincing.

First, the FLDS argue that they have been "targeted" in violation of the First Amendment. The argument takes a First Amendment concept and grossly misapplies it. While it is true that the government cannot choose a particular religion to be treated differently from other religious (or similarly-situated secular) organizations, the government is not prohibited from stopping criminal conduct even if the only ones engaging in the behavior are religious or if the conduct is restricted to the property of a religious organization. In short, a government may not discriminate against a group, but the Constitution does not force authorities to willfully close their eyes to criminal conduct.

This raid was about child abuse, and as I explain above, it is not really any different than authorities entering a drug den or a private home where there are credible accounts of abuse. The child protective services universe is sufficiently stable by now that whoever is sexually abusing a child can be made to stop. It is the best interest of the child that determines government action. That is obviously what is happening in this case, and the attempts to misleadingly shift the focus to the religious identity of the perpetrators is not justified by either law or basic decency. There is simply no religious defense to criminal behavior. That this behavior was so heinous makes using the cover of religion for it all the more appalling.

Second, the FLDS argue that the government simply cannot interfere with a religious enclave and that they should have autonomy from the government's interference. This latter theory has been touted by more mainstream religious organizations in recent years, especially those battling clergy abuse, but courts have not had much patience with the notion that autonomy includes within it a right to be free to abuse children. I would hope that the mainstream religious organizations that have been pushing "church autonomy" are having second thoughts as they watch this particular group embrace their vision to justify systemic and systematic child sexual abuse.

Finally, there are those who would argue that the age of sex and marriage is merely "cultural," and, therefore, the government has no business interfering with this sort of religious group. That is one of those arguments that is hopelessly behind the times, as it treats children as property rather than persons. It was not long ago that they were, in essence, nothing but property. The Texas authorities give one hope that they are moving surely and steadily into the category of persons -- persons who have civil rights that protect their bodily integrity against adults who would use their position of power to take what these children cannot freely give.

Source: Findlaw.com

11 posted on 05/01/2008 6:16:45 AM PDT by MizSterious (The Republican Party is infected with the RINO-virus)
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To: WayneS

They had been investigating for four years, with someone on the inside for (if memory serves) three years. How much longer should they have waited? Should they have delayed until the children could amass still more fractures and other signs of physical and sexual abuse?


12 posted on 05/01/2008 6:19:57 AM PDT by MizSterious (The Republican Party is infected with the RINO-virus)
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To: MizSterious

In before the apologists.


13 posted on 05/01/2008 6:30:21 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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Good article. It makes the case well. Thank you.


14 posted on 05/01/2008 6:36:56 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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Senator demands further information from agency on YFZ Ranch children

The Associated Press

Thursday, May 1, 2008

Texas officials told legislators they're investigating the possible sexual abuse of some young boys taken from a polygamist sect's ranch, as well as broken bones among other children.

The disclosures are the first suggestions that anyone other than teenage girls may have been sexually or physically abused at the Eldorado-area ranch run by the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. That Mormon splinter sect practices a form of plural marriage and split decades ago from the mainstream Mormon Church.

In written and oral testimony, officials with the state Department of Family and Protective Services said interviews and journal entries suggest that boys may have been sexually abused.

Earlier, the department's commissioner, Carey Cockerell, told lawmakers that at least 41 children, some of them "very young," have evidence of broken bones.

FLDS spokesman Rod Parker called Cockerell's testimony "a deliberate effort to mislead the public."

Patrick Crimmins, a spokesman for the Child Protective Services division, said the state is still investigating, and Cockerell's comments were not meant to be an allegation of abuse.

"This is pretty early in this investigation, particularly given the number of children we've been interviewing," he said. "We are just looking into it."

State authorities took 463 Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints children into custody in a weeklong raid begun April 3 at the sect's Schleicher County ranch on a tip about abuse of a 16-year-old. The state now alleges that a pervasive pattern of teen girls forced into underage "spiritual" marriages and sex with much older men created an unsafe environment for the sect's children.

The number of children in state custody grew to 464 on Tuesday after one of the girls gave birth to a boy in a San Marcos hospital.

The FLDS practices a form of plural marriage in which the men take several "spiritual wives" into unions that are not intended to be officially recognized by the law. The sect's split from the Mormon Church decades ago came when the latter renounced polygamy.

Wednesday in Austin, the chairwoman of the Senate's Health and Human Services Committee was unhappy with information the department presented about the weeklong raid begun April 3.

"I agreed to this format with the understanding that the agency would cover the topics we discussed," said Sen. Jane Nelson, R-Lewisville. "That didn't happen at the hearing, which concerns me because, as policy makers, we have a responsibility to ensure that the agency is fulfilling its mission.

"We have asked for a written response by the end of the day to the questions we put to the agency and are now awaiting that response."

With regard to Cockerell's comments on broken bones, a briefing issued after his testimony states, "We do not have X-rays or complete medical information on many children, so it is too early to draw any conclusions based on this information, but it is cause for concern, and something we'll continue to examine."

FLDS members reacted sharply to Cockerell's comments, saying the state is deliberately misleading the public to cover its own errors in the case. A physician at the ranch who is also an FLDS member said most of the broken bones were from minor falls, and that there is no pattern of abuse there.

Parker said state officials are "trying to politically inoculate themselves from the consequences of this horrible tragedy. This is just an attempt to malign these people."

Lloyd Barlow, the ranch's on-site physician, said he was caring for a number of FLDS children with broken or fractured bones at the time they were removed from the ranch. He said he has referred a number of families to emergency rooms in nearby San Angelo, and to orthopedic specialists.

"Probably over 90 percent of the injuries are forearm fractures from ground-level or low-level falls," Barlow said. "I can also tell you that we don't live in a community where there is a pattern of abuse."

Rebecka Zemlock, public relations director for San Angelo Community Medical Center, said that doctors affiliated with the hospital did not want to discuss whether it is unusual for a group of children that size to have had that many broken bones. Zemlock said some doctors did say that in-breeding can cause brittle bones.

The Wednesday presentation in Austin was put on the committee's hearing schedule more than three weeks ago. Nelson had said the meeting would evaluate the impact the raid is having on an already strapped foster care system.

Nelson intended to discuss the state's efforts to recruit and certify Texans stepping up to become foster and adoptive parents. The Health and Human Services Committee requested from Family and Protective Services:

The presentation from Cockerell included information supporting the CPS allegations that physical abuse has occurred at the ranch and suggestions that the boys might have suffered sexual abuse.

He offered no details in support of the sexual abuse allegations in his presentation to the committee. He went to the lieutenant governor's office immediately after his presentation and later sent out an aide to tell reporters he would not comment further.

At that point, Nelson issued a statement demanding further information.

Source: GOSanAngelo.

15 posted on 05/01/2008 6:40:02 AM PDT by MizSterious (The Republican Party is infected with the RINO-virus)
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They had been investigating for four years, with someone on the inside for (if memory serves) three years. How much longer should they have waited? Should they have delayed until the children could amass still more fractures and other signs of physical and sexual abuse?

Kidnapping, interstate trafficking, torture, murder, etc. Where are the arrests? After investigating for 4 years surely they can arrest someone for one of those offenses.

16 posted on 05/01/2008 6:41:10 AM PDT by LeGrande
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To: LeGrande

Be patient. They’re coming.


17 posted on 05/01/2008 6:43:43 AM PDT by MizSterious (The Republican Party is infected with the RINO-virus)
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To: MizSterious
He added: "It is part of our belief system that the way to teach and train children is to deal with them and train them in kindness."

Physicians are legally required to report cases of suspected child abuse - something Barlow said he would have done if he found such evidence.

Until the indictments and subsequent trial verdicts, the Texas CPS and the FLDS will be trying this mess in the court of public opinion. After the earlier leaks from the CPS I was wondering how long it would take the FLDS lawyers to do a counter offensive. Yawn....we'll learn a lot more from sworn depositions and trials than from press releases and interviews.

18 posted on 05/01/2008 6:49:29 AM PDT by TheDon
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To: MizSterious

Thanks for finding and posting this article. It lays to rest all the amateur “lawyering” we’ve seen here claiming that this whole thing is “bogus.”


19 posted on 05/01/2008 6:49:52 AM PDT by Flo Nightengale (Keep sweet? I'll show you sweet.....)
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To: AppyPappy

That is an interesting observation. You’re doing better than the doc! That will be an interesting angle of this story to see play out.


20 posted on 05/01/2008 6:51:07 AM PDT by TheDon
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