Posted on 05/01/2008 6:01:31 AM PDT by MizSterious
I think you are incorrectly inferring from the general to the particular. I intensely distrust politicians and I have several politician friends, does that mean that I intensely distrust them? No. I also believe that we have the best government money can buy, does that mean that I believe that all of my political friends are bought and paid for? Well not all just a few : )
I would find it hard to respect people who I felt weren’t doing their jobs, especially if people’s lives hung in the balance. you insinuate that they’re not doing their jobs. But, maybe you respect that. I can only go by what you post.
susie
First off, not all laws are Constitutional. We are about to see if DC's gun laws are Constitutional. Secondarily, we all break some laws even if we do so inadvertently (have you ever put a tire on a yellow line?).
In this country we have two types of law. The letter of the law and the spirit of the law. I respect Officers who follow the spirit and not those who use the letter of the law to take people down.
So you will have to clarify what you mean by not doing their jobs.
Playing catch up - too many threads. Jim is post-surgery -The DC Madam is dead. Political pandemonium.
On this thread, a few narcissists are using a very serious debate to prattle on about themselves, their resumes, unrelated experiences and self-absorption.
Too bad - because this case illustrates precisely what happens when gullible, fragile people support evil in the name of Christianity....and how naive anti-Government skeptics rally to the side of *religious freedom* excusing the criminals.
” “ a fishing expedition”.
quote; “Well, if so, it’s because the pond is overstocked with inbred fish who are sick.
It’s because there are Legal Arms of the State of Texas with regulation fishing poles, and they have been given a license to fish, at that pond. And their boat was registered too.”unquote
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Very good!
Those who cry foul because the children are ‘in custody’ of the state of Texas are without merit, as the State has the authority to take custody of crack children, born to crack addicted mothers, and these flds children are born to “spiritual crack” addicted parents.
My own daughter-in-law just had a preemie born crack baby, as a foster child for some weeks, while the state worked with the mother, who went through a drug rehab program. She got the baby back, but the state is just hopeful, as these mothers go back to the same-o as soon as they are alone and free again -unless there is a dramatic miracle of deliverance in their lives, which does happen.
Flds will always go back to their addiction unless they are dramatically delivered from the “spiritual crack” of flds doctrine.
“Flds will always go back to their addiction unless they are dramatically delivered from the “spiritual crack” of flds doctrine.”
You make an excellent point. One that really hasn’t even been addressed.
How do we stop that?
How do we move them into the 21st Century?
“What possible motivation, “
1)Legitimate concern.
2)It’s their job.
3)It’s the law.
NOW. That’s not really what we are talking about. The motivation of the CPS or LE.
It’s the motivation of those who attack the CPS and LE for doing their job.
We are all skeptical of the government, LE, CPS, in different ways, and for different reasons.
If the ‘official’ action involves any religion, we are not only skeptical, but downright defensive.
The more devoted one is, to something, the more defensive one is about it.
The ‘problem’ comes from being so defensive, one doesn’t see the facts. This isn’t about religion, it’s about illegal activities happening in a cult. The cult of Warren Jeffs.
The fact that he was born into FLDS, and declared himself PROPHET the day Fat Daddy Rulon died, doesn’t mean that every FLDS member is a criminal, and guilty of heinous crimes.
FLDS. Just a label. What difference does it make whether it’s FLDS or THE CHURCH OF FLAT EARTHERS?
Corruption has dominated the FLDS, and it won’t be stopped from the inside.
Take out the corruption, the illegal activities, and the FLDS will either continue on it’s own, or fail.
Joyce Meyer doesn’t rape children, nor make them work on assembly lines, nor trade them like bubble gum cards.
YET, NOBODY COMPLAINED WHEN the government ‘went after’ her.
And she’s not one of those fake ‘healers’ like Benny Hinn.
“I really don’t like seeing anyones Rights violated, even if it is for the children. “
And what if the one’s right’s violated, are the children?
****If the ‘official’ action involves any religion, we are not only skeptical, but downright defensive.
The more devoted one is, to something, the more defensive one is about it.*****
You have *nailed it* and thank you for those responses to my rhetorical question;)
“I respect Officers who follow the spirit and not those who use the letter of the law to take people down.”
Do you think the Texas LE and CPS went into this because of the spirit of the law?
Or that on some whim, they decided to go on personal vendettas and root out FLDS from Texas?
The government shouldn't violate anyones rights, not even children's.
No, they clearly went in based on a hoax.
Or that on some whim, they decided to go on personal vendettas and root out FLDS from Texas?
The powers that be are certainly going after the FLDS with a vendetta. That is one reason why they changed the laws after the FLDS entered Texas.
“The government shouldn’t violate anyones rights, not even children’s.”
and...what does that have to do with this case?
“No, they clearly went in based on a hoax.”
So, you think that is the only complaint they had?
“The powers that be are certainly going after the drug-cartel with a vendetta. That is one reason why they changed the laws after the drug-cartel entered (pick a state).”
Everything. Until the State proves their case, thats what this is all about.
I agree.
“Everything.”
That’s pretty inclusive. Must be a lot of violations of the law. What exactly has the CPS done against the law?
That’s up to the Police, and the Welfare Division. CPS doesn’t have to pursue charges , they are only there to ensure the children are protected from a ‘dangerous environment’.
And they had EVERYTHING in the world, to back up that concern. Four years of visits, investigations, and charges against the FLDS for violating child labor laws.
So, you agree that they ‘should’ change the laws to deal with drug cartels, because they haven’t, and that is why you object to what is going on at FLDS? Because they did change the laws to deal with it?
Nothing. That is my point, they are using the 'Law' to violate the children's rights
Until the State proves their case, thats what this is all about.
That’s up to the Police, and the Welfare Division. CPS doesn’t have to pursue charges , they are only there to ensure the children are protected from a ‘dangerous environment’.
You are absolutely correct. CPS doesn't have to do anything. They can simply take the children away and there is nothing that anyone can do. The only difference between this and Nazi Germany is? The State doesn't gas the Children?
And they had EVERYTHING in the world, to back up that concern. Four years of visits, investigations, and charges against the FLDS for violating child labor laws.
Violating child labor laws? So that is why they tore nursing babies from mothers breasts?
My dad broke child labor laws and gave me a job when I was fourteen. I worked hard and made enough money to buy a motorcycle (much to my mothers displeasure). So tell me, should I have been removed from my home and been put in foster care?
What part of the concept of Freedom from government interference and personal responsibility eludes you?
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