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FLDS doctor denies abuse at YFZ Ranch (YFZ/fLDS Daily Thread - 5/1/08)
The Salt Lake Tribune ^ | 05/01/2008 | Heather May & Brooke Adams

Posted on 05/01/2008 6:01:31 AM PDT by MizSterious

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To: Valpal1

“They provided false information, removed ID bracelets, rubbed the writing off them and switched children and in some reports even clothing in order to confuse the identities of children as well as their parentage or family group affiliation.”

WEll, I think that indicates they were all TAUGHT FROM BIRTH that they were GOD’S CHOSEN PEOPLE and would be subjected to the EVIL’s OUTSIDE the compound and must resist to protect the LOYAL INNER CIRCLE, and their families.

They were just protecting their faith, their beliefs, their way of ‘living’.

That said.... To what extremes were they willing to go to to protect those things?

Would they keep quiet, even if they knew there was abuse, sex with minors, scams off welfare, child labor????

Would they bury the evidence, if it came down to being caught?


We may know the answers.... very soon.


181 posted on 05/01/2008 2:30:54 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I reserve the right to misinterpret the comments of any and all posters)
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To: LeGrande

“””...if I am pulled over for a traffic violation...””

Not an *alleged* traffic violation?

You surely do take great pride in being a scofflaw...how comforting.

God forbid you are ever abducted by a sex rapist/murderer and there’s no-one to help you.


182 posted on 05/01/2008 2:32:28 PM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair - man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption.)
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To: LeGrande

“Even today if I am pulled over for a traffic violation and the officer asks me if I know why I was pulled over, I tell him that since he doesn’t know then maybe he should go back to his car. Of course I say it with a smile and it never works, but I have a 100% record in court. “


Hmmmmmmm.....

When I get pulled over, I tell the Officer the truth. I make no excuses, but just tell him the truth.

So far, it has worked 99% of the time. The only time I got a ticket (in the past 10 years) was because it was RADAR, in a SCHOOL ZONE, and I didn’t have my LICENSE on me at the time, and there was an open beer in the vehicle from the night before (I worked at a bar back then).

He gave me a ticket, and apologized for having to do so, and told me If I had to ‘hurry’, take a different route so I don’t go through the School Zone.


So, it would seem Being respectful and telling the truth gets you farther than Smarting off.

Based, at least, on our comparison of experiences.


183 posted on 05/01/2008 2:38:28 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I reserve the right to misinterpret the comments of any and all posters)
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To: All

Well what do we have here? A cult of ONE! What would you recommend?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,353777,00.html

New York Man Used Voodoo Threats to Scare Teen Girls Into Rape ‘Rituals’
Thursday, May 01, 2008

WHITE PLAINS, N.Y. — A 51-year-old man who claimed to practice Voodoo has admitted telling underage girls that if they refused to have sex with him terrible things would happen to them and their families.

DiFiore said that at various times in 2006, Aviles told three girls, ages 16 and 14, that he could help them with such problems as boys and parents if they engaged in a sexual “ritual” with him. He warned that if they backed out, he would make bad things happen to them and their relatives.


184 posted on 05/01/2008 3:01:08 PM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair - man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption.)
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To: Morgana
What kind of parents are these that do not let kids play?

What kind of "parents" are these, period?

185 posted on 05/01/2008 3:04:10 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (FLDS.... making babies with children because their God wants earthly bodies for spirit babies.)
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To: colorcountry; Pan_Yans Wife; MHGinTN; Colofornian; Elsie; FastCoyote; Osage Orange; Greg F; ...

Ping to 93


186 posted on 05/01/2008 3:16:32 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (FLDS.... making babies with children because their God wants earthly bodies for spirit babies.)
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To: sodpoodle
Not an *alleged* traffic violation? You surely do take great pride in being a scofflaw...how comforting.

When I was in High School I was filming a physics experiment and I happened to film two cop cars (complete with great face shots) running a stop sign. The same stop sign that the cops loved to use to write tickets to the students. So a group of us took the film to the local JP. To make a long story short I was the only member of the group that still had a drivers license a year later.

God forbid you are ever abducted by a sex rapist/murderer and there’s no-one to help you.

What is the saying, when seconds count the police are only minutes away. Police aren't even required to protect you. When was the last time you heard of the police preventing a rape or murder.

By the way, I haven't had a ticket in 20 years and I seriously doubt that any of the local cops would give me a ticket, unless I asked them to. I used to be an EMT, do Search and Rescue with them, etc, etc.

187 posted on 05/01/2008 3:25:18 PM PDT by LeGrande
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To: LeGrande

“When was the last time you heard of the police preventing a rape or murder.”

The last time, was when the LE and CPS raided the YFZ Ranch.

At least the most public, if not the most recent.


188 posted on 05/01/2008 3:49:06 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I reserve the right to misinterpret the comments of any and all posters)
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To: LeGrande

So, what you are saying is that you get away with violating the law (traffic violations, to be specific), because you have ‘friends’ in the Local PD?


189 posted on 05/01/2008 3:55:23 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I reserve the right to misinterpret the comments of any and all posters)
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To: UCANSEE2
Preaching on October 8th, 1868, Brigham Young advised: "There are a few items I wish to lay before the Conference before we dismiss, which I think we shall do when we get through our meeting this afternoon. One of these items is to present to the congregation the Deseret Alphabet. ...The advantages of this alphabet will soon be realized, especially by foreigners. Brethren who come here knowing nothing of the English language will find its acquisition greatly facilitated by means of this alphabet, by which all the sounds of the language can be represented and expressed with the greatest ease. As this is the grand difficulty foreigners experience in learning the English language, they will find a knowledge of this alphabet will greatly facilitate their efforts in acquiring at least a partial English education. It will also be very advantageous to our children. It will be the means of introducing uniformity in our orthography, and the years that are now required to learn to read and spell can be devoted to other studies." (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 12, p. 298, Brigham Young, delivered in the Tabernacle, Salt Lake City, Oct. 8th, 1868.)

I guess the FLDS can be considered "liberal" mormons for not forcing their children to use the "Deseret Alphabet". Imagine how much MORE isolated they would be if they could couldn't read or write english...Just as Brigham young intended.

190 posted on 05/01/2008 4:07:43 PM PDT by SENTINEL (SGT USMC....YOU NEVER HAVE TO MAKE EXCUSES FOR A REAL PROPHET !)
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To: LeGrande

Wow - you are pompous too!


191 posted on 05/01/2008 4:30:42 PM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair - man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

I think that’s one of the most horrifying scenes on film. I get your comparison.


192 posted on 05/01/2008 4:37:26 PM PDT by Flo Nightengale (Keep sweet? I'll show you sweet.....)
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To: UCANSEE2
So, what you are saying is that you get away with violating the law (traffic violations, to be specific), because you have ‘friends’ in the Local PD?

What good is the good old boy network if it doesn't protect the good old boys? LOL Trust me I know what I am talking about when it comes to the abuse of power by those in charge. I have seen it first hand.

The reality is that aside from very minor speeding violations (I sold my Porsche) I don't break many laws.

193 posted on 05/01/2008 4:55:55 PM PDT by LeGrande
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To: GovernmentShrinker

I don’t doubt that. It’s just that I wonder if that’s enough experience for him to be competent if he’s the sole medical provider for that group. Would that qualify him to handle the wide range of medical problems he could encounter?


194 posted on 05/01/2008 5:07:13 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: UCANSEE2
Are the children at the FLDS allowed to climb trees?

Just the old FAMILY tree....(snort!)

195 posted on 05/01/2008 5:08:24 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (FLDS.... making babies with children because their God wants earthly bodies for spirit babies.)
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To: LeGrande
What is the saying, when seconds count the police are only minutes away. Police aren't even required to protect you. When was the last time you heard of the police preventing a rape or murder.

And now they're trying to prevent rape, murder and abuse and you're condemning them.

Damned if they do and damned if they don't.

196 posted on 05/01/2008 5:11:38 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: UCANSEE2
“When was the last time you heard of the police preventing a rape or murder.”

The last time, was when the LE and CPS raided the YFZ Ranch.

Two things come to mind. One, do you equate the CPS with the police and two, why did the police wait so long? Why didn't they do it years ago? And who did the police arrest for rape and murder?

197 posted on 05/01/2008 5:12:06 PM PDT by LeGrande
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To: LeGrande
LOL Trust me I know what I am talking about when it comes to the abuse of power by those in charge. I have seen it first hand.

From the way you're bragging, I don't doubt it.

198 posted on 05/01/2008 5:12:47 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: LeGrande

“Trust me I know what I am talking about when it comes to the abuse of power by those in charge. I have seen it first hand.”

So, do you always assume that, in any ‘action’ by authorities, that it is always done because of an abuse of power?


199 posted on 05/01/2008 5:33:18 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I reserve the right to misinterpret the comments of any and all posters)
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To: metmom

Yeah, but not too sure about the “trust” part. ;)


200 posted on 05/01/2008 5:38:27 PM PDT by MizSterious (The Republican Party is infected with the RINO-virus)
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