California Peripheral Canal Plan Resurrected

California Resources Agency ^ | April 30, 2008 | Peter Finn

[Mat_Helm]

Many replies seem to think this is about obtaining more water for Southern California. That is just plain wrong! Water stored in northern reservoirs is only a small fraction of water diverted in the state. Most of that water is used for agriculture. The dams and conveyance facilities including the California Aqueduct have been paid for by farmers as they pay the capital cost to deliver water every year to deliver water to their land. While the larger bodies of water like Shasta and Orville provide flood control, they primarily supply water for the State and Federal water projects for farming and wildlife refuges. This water is already going through the delta and in most all years accept the driest represents a tiny fraction of what goes out San Fransisco Bay to the ocean. A peripheral canal would move the same water in the same historic quantity, but would convey the water around the delta instead of through the delta.

The delta smelt issue shuts down the export pumps on the south delta. There is no science to support shutting down the pumps. Cities around the delta are doing more harm to the smelt by killing the plankton and and organisms the tiny fish eat. The pumps take a few hundred fish and billions of dollars are lost and agriculture suffers in a starving world short of food because of brain dead environ wackos suing to shut down the export pumps. One big earthquake later when the delta levees fail, just like hurricane Katrina, and the delta is broken for years and the California aqueduct shuts down because the water has turned to salt, and California dries up and goes back to the 1850's. Morons! The canal should have been built decades ago.

[SierraWasp]

Remember when we used to say... "How do ya drain the danged swamp, when yer up to yer ass in allegators?"

If'n we revive the swampiness then it'll become "Silent Spring" in reverse with pandemics of malairia without any DDT!!! Ha Ha Ha!!! (that'll sure solve the illegal immigration problem along with all the TB)

Aren't EnvironMentalists using GovernMentalists really quite funny??? I sure think so!!! They're literally cutting off their noses, to spite their faces and being hoisted on their own ridiculously horrendous petards!!! (smirk)

[AuntB]

Please add me to a ping list, too PeterFinn. First I’ve heard about this. It must be a lousy idea if it came out of Sacto.

[AuntB]

“So to hell with the people whose families have farmed the delta for 150 years - LA wants water, is that right?”

That’s the usual reason. The cities rule us, always have and won’t give up that power easily.

You might appreciate this 1994 article.

Fred Charles Ikle a Distinguished Scholar at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, served as under secretary of defense for policy in the Reagan administration and as director of the U.S. Arms Control and Disarmament Agency in the Ford administration.

OUR PERPETUAL GROWTH UTOPIA
Fred Charles Ikle (1994) [snip]

http://towncriernews.blogspot.com/2008/04/bigger-isnt-always-betterwords-from.html

“Our country and state have a special obligation to work toward the stabilization of our own population so as to credibly lead other parts of the world toward population stabilization.” Ronald Reagan, Governor, State of California, Hearings before Subcommittee on Census and Population, 1974.

[SierraWasp]

Have you heard the latest? They’re going to create Delta Smelt Fish Hatcheries to replenish what the pumps chew up!!! REALLY, TRULY!!! (we go from the ridiculous to the sublime!!!)(or is it the other way around???)(well who the hell cares anymore, right???)

[SierraWasp]

"Likewise, growth in population density is to be welcomed if it is associated with increases in GNP or per capita income."(emphasis added by me)

Both Ronald Reagan and I like(d) the increases in "per capita income because he counciled everyone that we din't need more taxes as much as we needed more taxpayers! The best social welfare program ever invented was dignified employment!!!

So this author who was a hold-over from the Ford/Rockefeller short-term administration is really trying hard to put a fine point on this argument that kinda sounds right, but I still like most types of economic growth, especially from stuff that comes up out of the ground from mining and agriculture.

That's the ONLY place new wealth of any kind actually springs from with the help of water, except that which springs from the inventive/creative mind of mankind!!!

[Czar]

You know where he is on this—the wrong side, just as he always is. This jackass of a foreigner doesn’t have a clue.

[BOBTHENAILER]

That's the ONLY place new wealth of any kind actually springs from with the help of water, except that which springs from the inventive/creative mind of mankind!!!

Always nice to see the Stinger git on up that thar SOAPBOX, and zap 'em.

[hedgetrimmer]

I too am ready for a recall. What’s California’s deficit now, $20 billion? What idiots are even considering wiping out a chunk of our Ag economy and homes and towns of taxpaying citizens so that LA can have more water for illegals?

[kellynla]

“What’s California’s deficit now, $20 billion?”

I have no idea...wasn’t it just a couple of years ago they had some HUGE surplus that they didn’t know what to do with it...

Talk about “cooking the books”...the Mafia has nothing on state and federal governments. LOL

[PeterFinn]

One big earthquake later when the delta levees fail, just like hurricane Katrina, and the delta is broken for years and the California aqueduct shuts down because the water has turned to salt, and California dries up and goes back to the 1850's. Morons! The canal should have been built decades ago.

The plan here in each of the options is to build the Peripheral Canal AND let the delta fall to pieces and allow more salt to intrude as levves are destroyed or allowed to fail in order to create more marshland.

So the farmers in the delta get screwed and LA gets their water. Obviously, you don't live in the area affected by this, do you?

[PeterFinn]

And there has been absolutely NO media coverage on this despite the over six hundred people who attended Wednesday night’s meeting. Why am I not surprised?

[Mat_Helm]

The plan you reference will never happen. Even so, many so called farmers in the area already fallow their land and sell their water to the Bay area and northern communities that have shallow ground water problems, with some water also going to SoCal. Areas like Yuba County, Glen Colusa, Yolo, Contra Costa, and many others sell their water. A lot of rice is not being planted. The levee break from two years ago has still not pumped all the water out of the island created and some of this land may never be farmed again. A massive return to wetlands is what the environ wackos want. Central Valley farmers already are being devastated compared to north delta farmers who have 100% of their water allocation this year and a great deal would gladly sell their water to South delta farmers if they could move the water, but the export pumps are held back because of ESA smelt ruling by the federal court.

So, NO! I don't cry for north delta farmers, but I do for south delta farmers who are being screwed as we speak and its not an iff or but, it is happening right now. State contractors have already lost over 500,000 acre feet of water this year and only have 35% of their water. Federal contractors only 45% of their water mostly from the Judge Wangers ruling and partially from a very dry March and April hydrology. The Governor and most AQWA members are not going to let the levees fall apart and most of the left wing democratic legislature is in the hip pocket of environmental groups who force the politicians to earmark and spend wasted billions of dollars on the levees and will attempt to block the canal. Every agency in the State agrees that a canal is needed in some form or other and it will happen eventually, but not for Metropolitan water district or Socal area, but for central valley farming. Only if common sense prevails.

[PeterFinn]

Say what you will, but this is happening and the State is going forward on it. Deny it all you want but they LA water interests are teamed up with the environmentalists on this to ram it through. Feel free to attend the next meeting in Stockton if you don’t believe me.