Are these Lent Free Clothes?
Posted on 04/30/2008 8:40:44 AM PDT by Jet Jaguar
You say that because you have no problem with what happened at the FLDS compound.
Someone wondered if the people objecting to the FLDS seizure would come here to object to this seizure.
I was responding that I didn’t think so because this seizure seemed to be targeted to individuals, not a blanket seizure of all the kids without regard to their specific circumstances.
YOU replied that the police in this case HAD seized ALL the children.
So I pointed out that you have no evidence of that, and should not make factual statements without any evidence.
Now you want to claim that your objection was to my characterization of the FLDS seizures as being problematic. As my post was about why this seizure would NOT be seen as a problem (at least to me), your point, if you had actually made it in your first response, would have been ignored by me.
We have discussed in the FLDS thread the differing viewpoints on whether the investigation in the FLDS case justified the wholesale seizures — I suggest we leave that discussion in the FLDS threads.
If you find any information showing there were no children at this compound, please post it, so we can all be better informed.
I still find it hard to imagine that of the 70 people alleged to belong to this compound, none of them had any children except the leader, even though one of the 4 children wasn’t his child.
I would agree...this was an awful weak story on facts. I’d hold judgment on this whole episode.
Wild speculation is fun and is allowed, but should not be presented as facts of the case.
Add me too please. So more sex with children...I hope & pray they hit every cult/sect that do these vile things with children. Shaking my head again!
I don’t understand your statement. I’m sorry. I’m letting you know so that if your intent was to actually convey information, and not just make a snide comment, you have a chance to expand your statement so that maybe I will understand what point you are trying to make.
My entire post you are responding to was about this church in New Mexico.
Why did you respond with information about the FLDS church? Did you mean to post that to a thread about the FLDS church?
All of this sounds like the beginning of a Tim Lahaye novel. All churches are propagandized to be dangerous to children and women. The world’s leaders step in to save us all from the horrendous effects of religious thought and groups.
I totally agree. Anybody who starts with “in my opinion” is free to post any speculation they have, and the reasons for their speculation.
When I speculate, I try to note that with words indicating that I don’t have facts.
I count on facts to help me form opinions. Bad facts lead to bad conclusions.
Are these Lent Free Clothes?
And President Obama and his 'spiritual advisor' Wright are there to make sure everything's ok.
"In the FLDS threads, by the time the truth came out about the number of kids, and the ratio boys to girls, SO MANY unfounded numbers were posted that I am betting that if I took a poll on FR, a majority of Freepers would get the answer WRONG."
You're killing me...
That was a statement about the importants of not reporting speculation as if it were fact, and of correcting errors of fact when they are found rather than perpetuating them.
So I still don’t understand why you responded with a substantive discussion of the alleged operations of the FLDS church.
Your response had nothing to do with the truth about the number of children seized, nor was it even an argument against my claim that we should not post speculation as if it is a fact.
And it wasn’t even a justification for why people kept posting the wrong information about the number and sex of the children seized at the FLDS compound.
As this IS a thread about the NM seizures, I’m not going to discuss information about the FLDS case here.
My reference to the FLDS was about the THREADS on FR, not about the case itself.
I was simply stating that you show up on the church/child abuse threads arguing always for the other side in a backwards kind of way-— asking for ‘facts’ etc. This seems relatively clear and clean, no need to argue much for the other side, but you do.
BTW, have you ever been around a sexually molested child?
Not saying you’ve done it, just asking if you even understand the concept.
LOL!
Like cleaning your glasses I guess.
“All of this sounds like the beginning of a Tim Lahaye novel. All churches are propagandized to be dangerous to children and women. The world’s leaders step in to save us all from the horrendous effects of religious thought and groups.”
These people are a cult, not a religion. The leaders’ existence is about power and sex. They use religion as a guise. A “church” that uses young women as sex dolls and breeders for younger sex dolls IS dangerous.
Rev. Wright claims to be a Christian too.
The three girls and one boy - all under the age of 18 - were taken from the northeastern New Mexico compound in the days after an April 22 investigation, said Romaine Serna, state Children, Youth and Families Department spokeswoman.It's the same spokesperson mentioned in the other article, but provides a quote rather than a reporter interpretation. And the quote makes it clear that the SPOKESPERSON thinks there are no other youths at the compound at this time.''The information that I have at this point is that there are no other youths at the compound,'' she said Wednesday.
She of course is reporting what she has been told she can report, so is not a first-hand source. And this does not mean that other families who are at the compound don't have children. They could have left when they found out about the investigation, fearing what happened at the FLDS compound.
I still see no reason to doubt that this seizure was done by-the-book. But if the reports that there were no other children there are true, it DOES mean that the fact that only 4 children were seized would NOT be evidence of them "doing it right", as I currently believe.
LOL...I was thinking more along the lines of ‘needing cash for my, ahem, ‘church.’
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