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Yes, the natural order. And so tyranny naturally arises out of democracy, and the most aggravated form of tyranny and slavery out of the most extreme form of liberty?

food for thought....

1 posted on 04/29/2008 10:31:09 PM PDT by Loud Mime
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2 posted on 04/29/2008 10:32:34 PM PDT by Loud Mime (Obama and Hillary: Not one bit of constitutional reference in their debates)
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Plato was both good and bad. He was good at spotting the problems with various forms of government including democracy; but his proposed solution was to make the state even more oppressive and put philosophers in charge of it.


3 posted on 04/29/2008 10:39:51 PM PDT by BitBucket
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As a member of the 60s generation, which (IMHO) has brought about the greatest upheaval in our modern society, we are well on our way, in fact are already in the claws of slavery. We are slaves to selfishness and laziness. We know to do right, but we don’t have the will to do it, or to fight against the grain to stand up for righteousness and being our brother’s keeper. We’d rather let government do it and sit back and enjoy the ride, complaining all the way. I hope that we freepers have the guts to do the right thing and take on the challenges to change society back to the Judeo-Christian standards that made our country great.


4 posted on 04/29/2008 11:30:25 PM PDT by Shery (in APO Land)
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Classical studies are invaluable to understanding Man and government. That is why it has been so largely stricken from the government-run education system. That is also why Attic Greek history was referred to by the writers of the Federalist Papers as an example of why national unity must be accomplished through the US Constitution.


6 posted on 04/30/2008 12:03:16 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (If Hillary is elected, her legacy will be telling the American people: Better put some ice on that.)
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By "democracy" does he mean democracy or a republic? I never studied the classics, but did learn that democracy was just mob rule. A republic, OTOH, had laws, that were enacted because they were universally thought good before they were needed. Then they had to be obeyed, even when they were not convenient. A democracy, OTOH, could vote in whatever was expedient at the time and was ill conceived.

In such a condition, we could vote away our rights, such as the 2nd Amendment, because a school shooting seemed like it was just too terrible to not have a response to it. When the law was enacted, it was for self protection because it is a God given right to protect yourself and family. It's a shame to give up something that is universally important, for a transient reason. If we get 51% to oppose a right, you loose it. If the majority wanted to, we could vote slavery back into existence with 51%. A republic wouldn't allow a change unless the current law was obviously unfair.

The reason America is getting worse by the day, is we think we are a democracy and can vote each year, 2 years, or 4 years to change what we just changed a while ago. Being a nation of laws means the laws are passed for everyone and are universal to human nature. Why change something that is proven good for everyone, just because it's inconvenient at the time? By allowing transient laws, we open ourselves up to the whims of the day and eventually we will give up everything for peace and order.( dictator)

9 posted on 04/30/2008 1:33:02 AM PDT by chuckles
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Democracy is the most dangerous of all forms of government, because there is nothing to restrain the mob. The mob has no conscience.


12 posted on 04/30/2008 7:12:05 AM PDT by zeugma (Mark Steyn For Global Dictator!)
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Yes, the natural order. And so tyranny naturally arises out of democracy, and the most aggravated form of tyranny and slavery out of the most extreme form of liberty?

A fact the Founders knew all too well, yet a trap they fell into anyway.

(sigh)

Thus died the Republic.

13 posted on 04/30/2008 7:32:20 AM PDT by MamaTexan (**A 'Person' created by Nature is a sovereign / A 'person' as created by law is a subject**)
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