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Residents desert Mexico town for Seattle
The Seattle Times ^ | 4/29/08 | Lornet Turnbull

Posted on 04/29/2008 5:56:55 PM PDT by XR7

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To: tcw_laj4ALL

Yah... them illegals is just takin’ jobs from all those Americans standing in line for jobs in landscaping. And fast food. American high school kids are just destitute without those fast-food jobs like when I was a kid.

Don’t get me wrong. We should have a defensible border. But we should also have a more sensible foreign worker system so that enough can come in legally to fill the jobs that are available. Right now we don’t do either. We have a porous border and a job surplus.

If we create a better controlled way for enough workers to come in legally to work, it would make the border control problem much easier to manage.


21 posted on 04/29/2008 9:54:18 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: tcw_laj4ALL

Actually, the “legal” immigrants of before were so mainly because there wasn’t a limit on how many could come over, merely on who could come over.

Processing of immigrants at Ellis Island didn’t start until 1892. Before that, immigrants pretty much just got off the ship at the docks and walked ashore.


22 posted on 04/29/2008 10:02:03 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: XR7; 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; ...

Ping!


23 posted on 04/29/2008 10:54:32 PM PDT by HiJinx (~ Support our Troops ~ www.americasupportsyou.mil ~)
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To: sionnsar

Ping!


24 posted on 04/29/2008 11:36:05 PM PDT by JDoutrider (No 2nd Amendment... Know Tyranny)
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To: Ramius; HiJinx
We should have a defensible border. But we should also have a more sensible foreign worker system so that enough can come in legally to fill the jobs that are available.

How many of those jobs are actually needed because and only because there are 20 or so millions of crimaliens that need to buy food; buy gas; buy cheap Chinese imported crap from Wal-Mart; need cars repaired; need clothes, need social services, medical care, schools, JAILERS, ...and the list goes ever onward.

IOW, if all of them (including their "anchor babies) packed up and left, how many jobs would be vacated vs haw many would still need to be filled by somebody else?

25 posted on 04/30/2008 12:02:17 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The Great Obamanation of Desolation, attempting to sit in the Oval Office, where he ought not..)
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To: rpgdfmx

Idiot-—
America is an independent sovereign nation. No one, no nation, no Mexico, has a right to invade us. Take your accusations of bigotry and get lost


26 posted on 04/30/2008 12:02:27 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: ApplegateRanch

correct! If we transplanted 25% of Guatemala onto American soil that would also increase our GDP.

We have already allowed 15-25% of Mexico to import themselves here. Much of the economic activity they generate is simply the support structure of food stores etc that grow up around them. These illegals sure as hell aren’t needed in construction. That boom is over yet we cannot get rid of these imported leeches


27 posted on 04/30/2008 12:09:01 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: XR7

ping


28 posted on 04/30/2008 1:01:12 AM PDT by AnimalLover ( ((Are there special rules and regulations for the big guys?)))
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To: rpgdfmx
Nothing changes, except the bigots now use the internet.

As do the pimps for foreign interests.

29 posted on 04/30/2008 5:19:39 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: tcw_laj4ALL
.....the early immigrants didn't have the welfare system

Bingo!

I just got an e-mail from a buddy of mine whose mother worked for 40 years from 42-82 retired and now gets $791. from social security.

In the same e-mail he pointed out how immigrants over 64 can get as much as R2,400 per months due to their "circumstances".

How can we support a govt. that has created a system like this?

30 posted on 04/30/2008 6:15:05 AM PDT by rodguy911 (Support The New media, Ticket the Drive-bys, --America-The land of the Free because of the Brave-)
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To: Ramius
BS we need a fence, cameras, barbed wire, guards helos the works. You can let the terrorists in if you want but not I.

It's bad enough that the illegals get across but how many terror types are you willing to let into the country?

31 posted on 04/30/2008 6:17:23 AM PDT by rodguy911 (Support The New media, Ticket the Drive-bys, --America-The land of the Free because of the Brave-)
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To: XR7

“What they leave behind is a town of small children, a few women and older people.

“There are whole towns like these all across Mexico where kids haven’t seen their parents in four, five years,” said the Rev. Walter Coleman, pastor of a Chicago church and a pro-immigrant activist who’s visited some of these towns. “

Family values.....


32 posted on 04/30/2008 7:02:55 AM PDT by AuntB ('If there must be trouble let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." T. Paine)
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To: rpgdfmx

“. My German ancestors did that in the early 1800s and my Irish ancestors in the 1840s. They were also despised for their “foreign ways” and religion. Nothing changes, except the bigots now use the internet.”

What part of illegally breaking into this country and using a citizens ID don’t you get?


33 posted on 04/30/2008 7:06:10 AM PDT by AuntB ('If there must be trouble let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." T. Paine)
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To: Ramius

“If we create a better controlled way for enough workers to come in legally to work, it would make the border control problem much easier to manage.”

How many foreign entries would you allow legally each year?


34 posted on 04/30/2008 7:09:11 AM PDT by AuntB ('If there must be trouble let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." T. Paine)
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To: AuntB

I have no idea. But if they’re coming here to work and there’s a job for them to do, those people aren’t the problem.

It’s the ones sneaking in to do harm that are the problem, and right now we can’t tell the difference.


35 posted on 04/30/2008 7:27:13 AM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: Ramius

“I have no idea. But if they’re coming here to work and there’s a job for them to do, those people aren’t the problem.”

Well, there are 9 different visa programs with over 2 million a year coming in....legally. About half of them never leave.
Around half of immigrants are on some social services, are they a problem?

As for the jobs...Oklahoma just proved you wrong. They stopped the job and welfare magnet, the aliens are leaving and unemployment has never been lower.

Oklahoma Unemployment Is Way Down. Will Media Look into Why?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2006418/posts


36 posted on 04/30/2008 7:40:44 AM PDT by AuntB ('If there must be trouble let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." T. Paine)
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To: XR7
So maybe we oughta stop raggin' about it as a campaign issue and figure out how in the world to work it to our advantage, eh?

Yep, learn Spanish and become the first on your block to sport a shiny new guest worker. Make all your neighbors jealous as you sit in your lounge chair drinking a margarita as Maria does the lawn on your John Deer in a teddy.

Just think of the possibilities, embrace the horror, jump on the RNC team and come on in for the big win. Inside every guest worker is a little American trying to get out, who are we to stand in the way?

37 posted on 04/30/2008 7:48:08 AM PDT by usurper (Spelling or grammatical errors in this post can be attributed to the LA City School System)
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To: AuntB

Of course aliens shouldn’t be on any social programs.

Wrong? about what? There’s maybe 15 million or more illegals working in this country and unemployment remains fairly low nationwide. We obviously have a job surplus in this country.

Do you think if there were no immigrant labor in agriculture... that what... high school kids and homeless bums are gonna line up for those jobs? I don’t think so.

It’s obvious that there’s a place for immigrant labor here without “taking jobs from Americans”. We have more jobs than we have people to fill them. Plain and simple.


38 posted on 04/30/2008 8:00:59 AM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: Ramius

“Do you think if there were no immigrant labor in agriculture... that what... high school kids and homeless bums are gonna line up for those jobs? I don’t think so.”

My area has no illegal aliens working at those jobs, YES, our citizens and kids line up for them. I just showed you the facts from Oklahoma! Some of those kids you dismiss are in Iraq. Are those the worthless types you refer to? And guess what....THEY can’t find entry level jobs when they get back!


39 posted on 04/30/2008 8:10:29 AM PDT by AuntB ('If there must be trouble let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." T. Paine)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican

In five or ten years they will be voting. That’s when life will get exciting for you. Me, I’ll be dead and buried.


40 posted on 04/30/2008 8:41:16 AM PDT by B4Ranch (( If you ever need a gun but don't have one, you'll probably never need one again.))
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