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The Antarctic Deep Sea Gets Colder [Alfred Wegener Institute]
spx ^ | 29 Apr 08 | staff

Posted on 04/29/2008 8:05:43 AM PDT by RightWhale

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The Antarctic deep sea gets colder, which might stimulate the circulation of the oceanic water masses.
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When direct evidence conflicts with your worldview, express hope it really means that you will be able to find some other evidence proving your worldview was correct after all.

How about this: simple cold and getting colder?

21 posted on 04/29/2008 9:14:43 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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It’s actually not simple, especially when analyzing noise. The move hasn’t been enough up or down to identify a trend. The main new thing is they have satellites and thousands of robotic weather stations so actually they have nothing to compare this too, just like the Ozone Hole, first noticed when they first got some data.


22 posted on 04/29/2008 9:18:26 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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To: RightWhale
Stating a fact (”gets colder”) and then speculating (”might stimulate”) shows that the person making the statement hopes future data will show.

If there is any “noise”, it is in how a lot of grant-seeking (and award-grubbing) scientists hide how they have prostituted themselves to ideology and money.

23 posted on 04/29/2008 9:30:54 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: theBuckwheat

If you listen to Coast (the old Art Bell Show) you have probably heard some of those recordings where they hear voices in the background hiss. The Global Warmers are equivalent, seeing climate change in the background noise of the weather reports. Ghosts, departed spirits.


24 posted on 04/29/2008 9:34:50 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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To: RightWhale
In running our model simulations, we assumed that greenhouse gases like carbon dioxide would double over the next 40 years and then slowly level off

The current rate of change in CO2 is 10ppm/year, with a level of 380 ppm. It will take 130 years for CO2 to double at current rates.

And how catastrophic will that be? The best, IPCC-untainted models that actually match radiosonde observations predict that a doubling of CO2 will increase Global temperature by an amazing ...

0.5 degree C

The AGW fanatics are ramping their predictions further from reality all the time.

25 posted on 04/29/2008 9:42:37 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: RightWhale
An excellent observation. Scientists who are not afraid to let the data and logic take them where it leads are worthy of everyone's respect. However, when public debate is prematurely declared to be “settled”, where the solutions involve massive spending, increased taxes, reduced liberty, and suppression of the US economy and power while giving China and India a pass, then it becomes easy to smell leftist ideology masquerading as science.

We naturally recoil when scientists publish research paid for by tobacco companies that tells us how safe cigarettes are because we can see the paid-for bias coming a mile away. Yet, we are willingly blind to a similar bias that is purchased by think-alike grant committees.

Bad science destroys liberty and prosperity especially when politicians pick it up as a cause to “solve” using government which, in the final analysis, only can use the credible threat of deadly force with which to force people to obey it.

26 posted on 04/29/2008 10:17:40 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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None of the new tools has supported their earlier expectations; needs work...


27 posted on 04/29/2008 10:22:40 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: RightWhale
[Alfred Wegener Institute]

Yes, Wegner. The guy ridiculed by all the learned scientists of his day when he proposed the theory of Continental Drift.

And we all know how that one turned out. Now skeptics of global warming dogma are getting Wegnerian treatment from the 'establishment' scientist.

28 posted on 04/29/2008 10:26:11 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: RightWhale
Nevermind the brazillion tons of ice accumulating in Antarctica.

Oh no! If global warming causes global cooling, and more ice piles up down there, it could cause the earth to wobble on its axis, and really set off some global calamities! Just look at any picture of the south pole and you will see that it isn't centered over the actual polar axis. Then think of one of those orbital buffers that you can use to polish you car's wax finish. You will see how serious a problem this has a potential to become. I, however, am willing to study the problem and come up with sme possible solutions. I just have to get my website set up and a paypal account. I'll get back to you.

29 posted on 04/29/2008 11:31:42 AM PDT by webheart
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31 posted on 04/29/2008 2:35:54 PM PDT by steelyourfaith
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To: agere_contra; RightWhale; BUCKWHEAT

my understanding is; a cooling ocean absorbs CO2, and a warming ocean releases CO2.

As a result, CO2 rises follows a warming trend, rather then leading it, hence a lag time.

In reality it has nothing to do with global warming at all.

The proof: CO2 levels are still rising, yet we had a cold winter.

Someone straighten me out, if I am wrong on this.


32 posted on 04/29/2008 10:33:57 PM PDT by FBD (My carbon footprint is bigger then yours)
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Hurrecanes are also caused by warmer ocean temps, high temps more hurrecanes, low temps low number of H’canes.

The way I heard it was that Hurricanes were caused by temperature differences, and since the models say a warmer globe will actually have lower differences (the poles warm more than the equator), there will be fewer hurricanes. And, by the way, that's also what history says. Warm spells have milder weather. see Unstoppable Global Warming: Every 1,500 Years

33 posted on 04/30/2008 6:27:08 AM PDT by slowhandluke (It's hard work to be cynical enough in this age)
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