Some of the most vehement McCain bashers and Rushbots on the thread have said they are in their 60s so it can’t be that they’re too young to remember WACO. I think those people are simply either ignorant of what the Clintons are capable of and/or consumed with hatred for McCain.
I’ve predicted in another thread a civil war on this website the likes of which it’s never seen if the Clintons manage to get the nomination. There’s discord now, and there was during the republican choices (particularly the Rooty and Huckster lovers and detractors)-but you ain’t seen nothin’ yet.
As you have well-illustrated, some things - indeed some beliefs are not mutually exclusive.
I am something of a Rushbot, in that I believe he is a whole lot smarter and calculating and flexible in his “OC” approach than many on this thread give him credit for.
He did not get to where he is as a radio host, in-demand conservative speaker and guest, consultant to political movers and shakers, etc... by being slow in the head, nor by staying on track with losing ideas or strategies for too long.
That said - neither did the Klintons. It behooves us all not to forget the circumstances under which Slickster took office:
1) a divided vote caused at least in part by the contrarian, idiot, billionaire spoiler - H. Ross Perot
(a wild card that not Rush, nor anyone else could have foreseen or controlled)
2) the broken “no new taxes” pledge by Bush Sr, and
3) a string of transparent lies, and calculatedly muddy cover-ups employed by the Klinton machine and their willing media accomplices.
All it took for Willie so stay in office was a politically weak, older candidate in Bob Dole (who still would have been a better choice IMHO).
I am old enough to remember - I was there. For the record, I voted for Reagan twice, for Bush Sr. twice, for Dole, and for George W. twice
I take the threat/risk of a Klinton co-Presidency (unimproved v.3.0) seriously, even though it seems right now as if bu-Rockstar Hussein Obamessiah has the upper hand in delegate count.
Of course Hillary has the ear of more than a few so-called ‘SuperDelegates’ - and I would bet with her triple-trailer load of confidential FBI files and other assorted dirty tricks, she has more than one “by the short hairs”.
She is power-hungry, ruthless and will hold back nothing in her quest for the Oval Office, IMHO - but...
IF Obama goes into the convention with a significant enough lead in the delegate count, AND more than a smattering of support from several powerful, mainstream ‘Supers’, Hillary may not have the degree of say-so in the matter which she would otherwise expect.
Unless she can then turn around, and with 100% verifiability substantiate the rumours about Obama’s birth and citizenship (that his mother was somehow detained/delayed in Kenya, and flew from there to Hawaii immediately following his birth to register his birth and gain him the status of a natural-born US citizen), thus permanently disqualifying him out-of-hand.
That would WELL and TRULY be a bombshell for the ages in Amrican Presidential politics, and I would not put it past the Klintons to be holding back something exactly like that, awaiting an opportune moment.
There would be intense, enormous and protracted grumbling from within the community of black American Democrats (despite the fact that Obama is - I know - 50% white, 43% Arab, 6% black african), yet in the end they would have no choice but to step back in the face of a clear Constitutional issue.
If, on the other hand, she engineers some sort of ‘SuperDelegate’ coup d’etat at the Demo convention, I would expect all of the black voters, and a significant number of Obama’s “other” voters to do at least one of three things:
1) protest and riot violently in the streets,
2) sit on their hands and sit out the general election entirely
3) some would sit out, while most others would defect to McPain or Nader in spiteful “protest voting”.
The million dollar question is: which way will the leaders in the party of weasels go?
My nightmare scenario: Hitlery meets with Obama’s people and the ‘S-Ds’ behind closed doors at the convention.
She discloses her ammo vis-a-vis his non-citizenship, and issues her demands.
She gets the first seat on the ticket in ‘08 AND ‘12, Obama accepts the second seat with the promise of full support from the Klintons and their campaign apparatus come ‘16 (at which time Obama will still be just 54 years old, but much more politically experienced and seasoned and dangerous himself).
Obama’s only requirements? To give the most electrifying speeches of his careerat the convention, laden with charm, conciliatory tones, and of course - vague pretty-sounding promises of a bright, shining future that includes ALL Americans...
And to stump solidly for “President-in-waiting” Hillary, bringing ALL of the black Democrat voters home to the plantation.
That is my own NIGHTMARE, WORST-CASE SCENARIO.
The G.O.P. ought to use it as a template for the sake of assuming what they WILL be up against in November - and then do EVERYTHING to prevent it.
I don’t “love” McCain - certainly not nearly so well as I do other candidates in the GOP, but for the life of me, I fail to see the value in withholding my vote from a Republican/Rino who votes and talks most often like a moderate Democrat and thereby handing the election to either one of two extreme Socialists.
Either one could, and very well would wreck this country in short order.
At this point, as Conservatives - we see no “good path” and we have no firm guarantee as to who the opponent will be. Best to be prepared for either, and turn out in droves for the moderate Democrat, and former POW with an (r) by his name.
A.A.C.