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To: Ken H
The subject was originally whether science is a religion.

Yeah. I said that already. Likewise, academic freedom is in the mix.

You were the one who introduced the enumerated power over education into our discussion

Don’t complain. You opened the door by means of a grossly out-of-context reference to the constitutional powers of Congress in promoting the progress of science and the useful arts. Had you the common courtesy to cite that constitutional provision in its proper context, nothing that followed would have been necessary. In fact, that constitutional quotation could not have been used because its context would have shown it to be irrelevant. As it was, you would seem to be perfectly content to leave the impression that Congress has virtually unlimited powers to promote science and the useful arts could you have gotten away with that misperception.

You asked by what means Congress could promote science. I gave you a complete and accurate answer. You cannot justify reading anything else into it.

See above. You made no such answer until a clarification of an ambiguous quotation was demanded of you. Now in your response here, you again make a statement bereft of context. That’s a bad habit you have there.

it looks like you're running away from a challenge.

What challenge? You’ve already conceded that Congress has no power to regulate or fund neither science, nor useful arts, at least in the context of education. And you seem reluctant to pursue that judgment to its logical conclusion. If you find going back over old ground and old arguments more comfortable than examining any further conclusions, than please feel free to do so. Just spare me the participation.

440 posted on 05/01/2008 4:15:41 PM PDT by YHAOS
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To: YHAOS
You opened the door by means of a grossly out-of-context reference to the constitutional powers of Congress in promoting the progress of science and the useful arts.

Garbage. The poster I responded to claimed "science is a religion". That is easily refuted by the fact that Congress was delegated the power to promote science, whereas it was forbidden to promote religion. An assertion was made, the assertion was rebutted.

As it was, you would seem to be perfectly content to leave the impression that Congress has virtually unlimited powers to promote science and the useful arts could you have gotten away with that misperception.

You have no basis for saying that I was trying to leave such a misperception. The Constitution is not an obscure reference, and it makes no sense to think I would attempt to get away with such a thing when it is so easily refuted.

You're just being flat out dishonest, IMO.

452 posted on 05/01/2008 6:41:48 PM PDT by Ken H
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