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To: Dog Gone

The theory of gravity didn’t enable plane flights. Plane flights and crashes are the result of a technology. I guess you could have used the study of fluid dynamics.

You obviously don’t understand what guilt by association is. That has to do with the point of view or behavior of one person being attributed to another because they have had some kind of connection - working at the same law firm, being related or something. It’s about connections that don’t logically man anything. This is tracing the historical development of an idea and what the underlying assumptions were. It’s simply cause and effect. If that’s not valid then the entire study of history is not valid.

I don’t see how the holocaust could have happened without Darwin’s theory. It was predicated on racial theories. You dismiss it as being a lunatic type of notion like Wright’s AIDS claim, a ridiculous comparison.

The idea of superior and inferior races flows inevitably from evolution theory, (which I don’t believe in). You apparently do believe in it. So your only real argument is that we just have to accept that there may be superior and inferior races, and unfortunately some people will misuse this idea, like Hitler. Instead, your argument is, “Since evolution is science, no one can say it could possibly result in anything bad, because then they are attacking science”, a stupid argument.

You’re basically arguing there can be no cause and effect with respect to evolution theory, since it’s science. Ideas have effects. Is it okay to say Marx, Christianity, the major philosophers have had effects, since they aren’t “science”? But then isn’t that still being anti-philosophy, guilt by assocation etc?


362 posted on 04/30/2008 10:11:16 AM PDT by lasereye
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To: lasereye
There have been plenty of racial conflicts throughout history, involving politics, religion, or some political philosophy, and most of these precede Darwin.

I perfectly understand cause and effect, and the difference between that and guilt by association. But blaming Nazi Germany on Darwin is even a ridiculous guilt by association argument, since it wasn't even mentioned by Hitler, and every esteemed historian that I've read never blamed it on Darwin.

Suddenly I'm now supposed to see the cause and effect? If evolution is so insidious, why aren't new Hitlers popping up all the time? Has it somehow lost its magic power?

So your only real argument is that we just have to accept that there may be superior and inferior races, and unfortunately some people will misuse this idea, like Hitler. Instead, your argument is, “Since evolution is science, no one can say it could possibly result in anything bad, because then they are attacking science”, a stupid argument.

If I had said either of those things, it would be fair to comment on them, but you made them up. You certainly do not speak for me.

370 posted on 04/30/2008 2:53:23 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: lasereye
I don’t see how the holocaust could have happened without Darwin's theory.

"In brief, dear princes and lords, those of you who have Jews under your rule-- if my counsel does not please your, find better advice, so that you and we all can be rid of the unbearable, devilish burden of the Jews, lest we become guilty sharers before God in the lies, blasphemy, the defamation, and the curses which the mad Jews indulge in so freely and wantonly against the person of our Lord Jesus Christ, this dear mother, all Christians, all authority, and ourselves. Do not grant them protection, safe-conduct, or communion with us....
--Martin Luther

414 posted on 05/01/2008 11:57:35 AM PDT by steve-b (The "intelligent design" hoax is not merely anti-science; it is anti-civilization. --John Derbyshire)
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