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To: Soliton; Dog Gone; allmendream

http://www.straight-talk.net/evolution/hitler.htm

“• In Mein Kampf (My Struggle), Hitler used the German word for evolution (Entwicklung) many times, citing “lower human types.” He criticized the Jews for bringing “Negroes into the Rhineland” with the aim of “ruining the white race by the necessarily resulting bastardization.” He spoke of “Monstrosities halfway between man and ape” and lamented the fact of Christians going to “Central Africa” to set up “Negro missions,” resulting in the turning of “healthy . . . human beings into a rotten brood of bastards.” In his chapter entitled “Nation and Race,” he said, “The stronger must dominate and not blend with the weaker, thus sacrificing his own greatness. Only the born weakling can view this as cruel, but he, after all, is only a weak and limited man; for if this law did not prevail, any conceivable higher development (Hoherentwicklung) of organic living beings would be unthinkable.” A few pages later, he said, “Those who want to live, let them fight, and those who do not want to fight in this world of eternal struggle do not deserve to live.”[3]”

From that it is clear that Hitler was an evolutionist. How could he have been anything else and promoted the creation of the ubermensch?

As Weickart noted in his six reasons why Darwinism led to the Holocaust, Darwinism removed the basis for our Judeo Christian moral code and replaced it with a scientific basis for Race Hygiene. You may call that “twisting” Darwinism but I don’t see where the twist is. Survival of the fittest is survival of the fittest. Eugenics is simply applied Darwinism.

Eugenics and racism are NOT applied Christianity. Therefore, using Christianity to promote these things is twisting it into something it is not.


266 posted on 04/28/2008 7:54:13 PM PDT by HerrBlucher (Asked on his deathbed why he was reading the bible, WC Fields replied "I'm looking for loopholes.")
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To: HerrBlucher

You’ll have to explain what the hell Hitler has to do with whether evolution is correct or not.

Was he a scientist?

Was he God?

What the hell does he have to do with whether evolution is good science?

Or do you just want to smear the scientific field?

That’s what Ben Stein did, and I’d ask the same questions of him.


270 posted on 04/28/2008 8:01:43 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: HerrBlucher
As Weickart noted in his six reasons why Darwinism led to the Holocaust, Darwinism removed the basis for our Judeo Christian moral code and replaced it with a scientific basis for Race Hygiene. You may call that “twisting” Darwinism but I don’t see where the twist is. Survival of the fittest is survival of the fittest. Eugenics is simply applied Darwinism.

Courtesy of DarwinCentral.org

272 posted on 04/28/2008 8:29:19 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: HerrBlucher
The word Evolution is only used once in Mein Kampf; not many times and it referred to a political rather than a biological evolution.

“This evolution has not yet taken the shape of a conscious intention and movement to restore the political power and independence of our nation.” Hitler in Mein Kampf.

Hitler was a racist. I never denied it. But in Mein Kampf he said that the Aryan race was the “highest image of the Lord”, not ‘the most evolved ape’.

Do you not think that there has been enough Historic Revisionism about Hitler that you have to add to the disinformation?

275 posted on 04/28/2008 8:35:30 PM PDT by allmendream (Life begins at the moment of contraception. ;))
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To: HerrBlucher
You say Hitler used the word “evolution” in Mein Kampf many times, and yet you fail to supply a SINGLE instance. I wonder why? Could it be because you knew it was a lie when you said it? That you knew he only used the word once and it was obvious in context that he was speaking of a political rather than a biological evolution?

I have made this challenge several times and I have yet to hear a single instance of any Nazi leader whipping up Jew hatred using Evolutionary language. Nope, it is all about “blood upon the cross”, “internationalist bankers”, and “mongrelization”.

Please supply a single quote where Hitler used the word Evolution, your “many times” doesn't cut it. Provide the quote (as I did) or, if you stick with your contention, quotes, where Hitler used the word Evolution in Mein Kampf.

280 posted on 04/28/2008 8:48:53 PM PDT by allmendream (Life begins at the moment of contraception. ;))
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To: HerrBlucher

Hitler believed in breeding a master race and puriity of blood. Breeding is a concept much older than evolution. He wasn’t talking about humans evolving into a new species, but simply breeding “better” humans within species. This has much more to do with Mendel, a Christian monk, than Darwin.


290 posted on 04/29/2008 12:46:27 AM PDT by Soliton
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To: HerrBlucher
From that it is clear that Hitler was an evolutionist. How could he have been anything else and promoted the creation of the ubermensch?

Hitler had no understanding of evolution, or if he did he rejected it completely.
Nowhere in Mein Kampf does he mention Darwin, natural-selection or even the word "evolution" in the context of Darwin's theory. Hitler never mentioned Darwin or evolution in any speech.

The "Ubermensch" is a term coined by Nietzsche, a man Hitler would've detested because Fredrich Nietzsche was an atheist.
Hitler loathed atheists.

"We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith.
We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.
-Adolf Hitler, Berlin speech 24 Oct. 1933

As Weickart noted in his six reasons why Darwinism led to the Holocaust, Darwinism removed the basis for our Judeo Christian moral code and replaced it with a scientific basis for Race Hygiene.

There's no such thing as "Race Hygiene" in Darwin's Theory. Nor are there moral codes, Judeo Christian or otherwise.

... You may call that “twisting” Darwinism but I don’t see where the twist is.

Obviously.

If Dr. Richard Weikart had been serious in finding the origin of anti-semitism, then he would have gone back 1850 years ago to Justin (the) Martyr's "Dialogue with Trypho, the Jew", Tertullian's "Treatise against the Jews", or 1800 years ago to Orgin's essay "Against Celsus", or even 1600 years back for sermons by John Chrysostom.

Hitler, not being much of a scholar, seemed unaware of these works and had to make due with arch antisemitic Martin Luther from 400 years ago.
I think it's rather fitting that exactly 400 years, from the publishing of "On the Jews and Their Lies", 1543 to 1943, marked the decline of the German Reich. Don't you agree?

Quick test, who wrote the following:
1. "The blood of Jesus falls not only on the Jews of that time, but on all generations of Jews up to the end of the world."

2. "The Synagogue is a brothel, a hiding place for unclean beasts." 3. "First, set fire to their synagogues or schools and to bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them. ..." and "They [the Jews] must be driven from our country" and "we must drive them out like mad dogs." How'd you do? If you guessed Origen, John Chrysostom, and Martin Luther, then you know more of Christian history than Richard Weikart.

Weikart's book "From Darwin to Hitler" is an embarrassing piece of work for any honest historian. Although I suppose that if you have an agenda, it's all good, right?

294 posted on 04/29/2008 5:07:31 AM PDT by dread78645 (Evolution. A doomed theory since 1859.)
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