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To: The Woim
If the evolutionists are right, then there is no God. If no God, no God-given rights. No inalienable rights either. Rights then become “permission slips” which can be rescinded.

First, "If the evolutionists are right, then there is no God." is simply unreasonable. I'm an evolutionist and think it quite possible that there could be a God who set up the laws and processes by which we got from fourteen billion years ago to today.

Second, your entire sentence as quoted above can be restated as, "In order for us to have inalienable rights, it's imperative that evolution not be true." That may be a good rationale for any given person to want to believe in creation, but it's well short of being a scientific argument.

108 posted on 04/28/2008 2:18:16 PM PDT by Notary Sojac
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To: Notary Sojac

Notary Sojac, thanks for continuing the philosophical discussion.

Remember the lines “We hold these truths to be self-evident...” Natural rights are based on a premise that each individual is autonomous. There’s no proof for that and the cruelty of state run dictatorships seems to be the norm in world history.

Also, it’s possible to be an agnostic and also a righteous person. So long as you believe in the principles of liberty unabridged. Not liberty as granted by the federal government.

This whole scenario highlights (ID/creationists with their belief that children are a gift from God and the evolutionists with their belief that children are a cog in the wheel of the state and if you want to stick a fork in their head go ahead because I could give a rip) the need to abolish the department of education and also the concept of public schools in the U.S. Too too many of our students are being taught that the 2nd amendment grants the government the right to establish the national guard and that the 1st amendment abolishes the practice of religion in public.

The number one reason to abolish public schools is to do away with the concept that our children belong to the state - after all, that’s the underlying message in all the lesson plans.

Yours truly,
The Woim


144 posted on 04/28/2008 3:35:56 PM PDT by The Woim (Agitating for social change also means fighting to abolish the Dept of Education)
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