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The Moment of Truth for the Left has Arrived
American Thinker ^ | 4-28-08 | James Lewis

Posted on 04/27/2008 10:48:52 PM PDT by smoothsailing

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To: txflake

It is impossible.
First of all, McCain does several points better against Hillary than he does against Obama. McCain’s favorabilities are very high, but Hillary’s are well over 50%. 50% of voters have said they WILL NOT VOTE FOR HILLARY.

These are the reasons why the Democrats first decided to pull the rug out from underneath Hillary.
The believe, to a person, that Hillary is a bigger liability than Obama.
They cannot wait to get rid of her.
Let’s not lose sight of that.

You are afraid of the buffoons known as the Clintons.
That’s what it comes down to.
They don’t scare the rest of us.
We say: bring ‘em on.

They have lost their empire.
They’re jokes in 2008.

A few months ago, we were all salivating at the prospect of running against the Clintons.
Why should that suddenly change?

Obama has already done the damage to her — he’s taken away her cloak of invincibility.
The Ice Queen has no clothes.

But Hillary won’t get so far as to be their nominee.
There won’t be a Democrat party left for her to be the nominee of if they try to give it to her.
And they all know it.

We have free reign to taunt them with what a loser Obama is, flaunt his weaknesses, and then laugh as they are powerless to do anything about it. They’re stuck with him.

So just sit down and quite whimpering.


41 posted on 04/28/2008 1:34:46 AM PDT by counterpunch (John McCain for President - Because we need VICTORY in Iraq, not RETREAT)
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To: counterpunch

So for now, the Clintons and the GOP are strange bedfellows.

You have a complete handle on the whole situation and grand scheme!!! Bravo.


42 posted on 04/28/2008 1:43:53 AM PDT by llandres (I'd rather be alive and bankrupt than dead and solvent)
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To: endthematrix
Why won’t blacks vote for Hilary if she’s the nomination?"

Because she's white. But that's not racist remember, it's only racist when whites don't vote for a black because of his racist and Marxist character.

Now I don't know if this sentiment is going to carry on through until November, but if the charges of racism continue to dog Hillary for the rest of their primary, there is a better than good chance it will.

You have to consider as well that plenty of nasty stuff will be said about Hillary before this primary is over and that isn't going to help her at all. It will wake up a lot of the truly stupid in this country who always vote Democrat but don't really know why, finishing off Hillary nicely.

I really doubt she'd try run in 2012. 4 years is a long time for someone who's face is sagging lower each day. By 2012, it will have overtaken her breasts.

This is her shot, so she's not going to pull any punches, which will only destroy Obama, but herself in the backlash.

43 posted on 04/28/2008 1:44:12 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: llandres
I understand, but at this point there are forces at play that even we can’t control.

Agreed. We don't really know how this will play out.

Operation Chaos could easily backfire on us and have unintended and very serious consequences. Especially if it makes Hillary the nominee, and she goes on the win in November.

Why tempt fate? Hillary will be much more difficult to dislodge once she has secured the Dem nomination. She ain't going nowhere. Barack is on his way down. Why not let him destroy Hillary first, then take the rest of Dems down with him?

I for one do not want to hear Hillary's cackling voice thanking Rush Limbaugh come January 20, 2009.

44 posted on 04/28/2008 1:50:00 AM PDT by Jess Kitting
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To: counterpunch
Wimpering?

This is a place in a little town called Waco about 50 miles N of here.

You don't genuflect and prognosticate with these people. You bury them when you get the chance.

Except for idiot gamers like you who think it's entertaining to keep them alive.

45 posted on 04/28/2008 1:50:39 AM PDT by txhurl
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To: Nathan Zachary
"Because she's white."

Ridiculous.

46 posted on 04/28/2008 1:53:48 AM PDT by endthematrix (He was shouting 'Allah!' but I didn't hear that. It just sounded like a lot of crap to me.)
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To: Nathan Zachary; endthematrix
>Why won’t blacks vote for Hilary if she’s the nomination?"

Because she's white
Let's try to be a little more sophisticated here. That's not why they won't vote for her.
In fact, they will vote for her.
But they won't vote in the same numbers. They may not sit it out, but they will be less enthused, to say the least. That translates into a few points at the polls. Maybe not a lot, but enough to make the difference in some states.

The bigger problem for the Democrats if Hillary takes it from Obama is the youth vote. Young would-be first time voters would certainly become disenchanted and cynical about the Democrats, and young people dislike the Clintons, particularly Hillary. John McCain would be the choice of young vote against Hillary, because he is ironically hip.
 
47 posted on 04/28/2008 1:59:01 AM PDT by counterpunch (John McCain for President - Because we need VICTORY in Iraq, not RETREAT)
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To: Nathan Zachary; endthematrix

Plus, there is the long term fallout that if the Democrats steal victory from a black man, then they know the GOP’s message that the Democrat party doesn’t deliver on their promises to the black community will begin to resonate.


48 posted on 04/28/2008 2:05:35 AM PDT by counterpunch (John McCain for President - Because we need VICTORY in Iraq, not RETREAT)
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To: Nathan Zachary; endthematrix

I'm voting for John McCain...
because that would be, like, totally ironic.
 

49 posted on 04/28/2008 2:07:09 AM PDT by counterpunch (John McCain for President - Because we need VICTORY in Iraq, not RETREAT)
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To: counterpunch
True enough. But if this racism stuff escalates, which it most likely will as Hillary takes apart Obama, I think it will have a big effect on a large portion of the black vote for Hillary. Sure, there many (blacks) smart enough to see through all of this, and see Obama for what he is, but those numbers aren't enough to put Hillary in the white house, in fact a good many will probably vote Republican, and always do.
50 posted on 04/28/2008 2:08:57 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: counterpunch

LoL! I know, isn’t it? And I’ll probably feel real dirty afterwards too.


51 posted on 04/28/2008 2:11:56 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

Yeah, the racism will certainly escalate from both sides.
Obama will do it to turn out blacks and increase his margins in North Carolina, and Hillary will appeal to the KKK in Indiana and Robert Byrd’s base in West Virginia.

And Bill will do a replay of South Carolina after North Carolina.


52 posted on 04/28/2008 2:16:52 AM PDT by counterpunch (John McCain for President - Because we need VICTORY in Iraq, not RETREAT)
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To: counterpunch
the Democrat party doesn’t deliver on their promises to the black community

This is something that few in the black community are willing to acknowledge.

They will remain on the Dem plantation regardless of an Obama loss, or even the choice of Condoleeza Rice as the Republican VP.

After Barack has lost the Dem nomination, the powers-that-be in the Dem party will force him to "play nice" and throw his support behind Hillary, and as a good little boy, he will do it.

Then you will see who is really holding the cards.

53 posted on 04/28/2008 2:24:14 AM PDT by Jess Kitting
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To: endthematrix
I guess you failed to see what that really means. Simply put, with Obama and co. fanning the flames of racism every time Hillary attacks Obama's character, by the time the primary is over, they will NOT vote for Hillary- or any white person.

As well, Sharpton and co. may have NY shut down by then as well over that shooting case, especially if the city reinstates those officers.

There is plenty of time and room for things to go very bad for Democrats in general.

54 posted on 04/28/2008 2:25:37 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: counterpunch
OK, you punked me. ~lol (really rather puked in technicolor)

You describe McPain as ironically hip? but also claim we should support two communist, murderous, rapist hyenas because the nearly-dead 'hip' guy can beat them?

Insane!

55 posted on 04/28/2008 2:26:40 AM PDT by txhurl
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To: counterpunch; Nathan Zachary
"long term fallout"

Since Civil Rights movement, the only thing the democrats have delivered to the Black community is perpetual poverty. Still they vote for the white Democrat handouts...Obama IMO won't break that trend. Plenty of state and local elections are evidence. Heck, think Chicago's Daley!

I'm split on the opinion of the youth vote. White democrats perhaps may switch parties. I see the wind blowing more towards a violent anti-globalist Marxist youth, so a Populist/RINO/Third way/false prophet will be the ideal candidate.

56 posted on 04/28/2008 2:27:44 AM PDT by endthematrix (He was shouting 'Allah!' but I didn't hear that. It just sounded like a lot of crap to me.)
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To: Jess Kitting
"the powers-that-be in the Dem party "


57 posted on 04/28/2008 2:43:33 AM PDT by endthematrix (He was shouting 'Allah!' but I didn't hear that. It just sounded like a lot of crap to me.)
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To: txflake

Huh?
You’re off your rocker.
I never said we should support the Clintons because McCain can beat them.
I said we should continue encouraging them to bloody Obama, because nothing they do can win Hillary the nomination. Nothing.
Do you really not get it?

I think your problem here is you actually believe that the Democrat super delegates will look at the two candidates, decide because Obama tanked at the end that Hillary is the stronger candidate (even though she will still lag in the delegate count by triple digits) and rip the nomination from Obama’s hands after he won it fairly.

You actually believe that the super delegates will unanimously all come to the same conclusion that Hillary could carry a few more points, or a couple more states in the general election, that they should rob the first black candidate to win the nomination. That they will believe that slim margin is worth the long term damage to their party, and their own political careers as they go back to their constituents and have to explain their actions, and face primary challengers for their seats because of it.

You believe that these same super delegates who already have stabbed the Clintons in the back with the long knives are now going to suddenly return them to power inside the party instead where Bill and Hillary will have free reign to exact revenge, settle scores, and purge the disloyal right out of the Party.

You believe that the Democrat super delegates who need cash for their own races will reject Obama and his record fund-raising for cash-strapped Hillary, all over a few points gain in the Presidential race?

Please. You really do not understand politics. These super delegates are all politicians themselves, and like all politicians, they are looking out for their own self-interests first, regardless of what anyone says. Their own elections mean a lot more to them than the Presidential election. And nominating Hillary Clinton over Barack Obama works against their self-interests.


58 posted on 04/28/2008 3:04:31 AM PDT by counterpunch (John McCain for President - Because we need VICTORY in Iraq, not RETREAT)
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To: smoothsailing

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59 posted on 04/28/2008 3:05:54 AM PDT by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: counterpunch
Please. You live a soap-opera life, and seem to enjoy it very well and defend it vociferously.

I, on the other hand, actually lived under the Clintons the first time around. You could ask your parents or siblings how it went - if you could detach yourself from The Days of Our Lives and hear it first-hand from someone you trust.

60 posted on 04/28/2008 3:27:54 AM PDT by txhurl
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