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To: AndyJackson

Are you really as ignorant as your post implies? Banks can create money with no Fed. In fact, it is the hindrance of a reserve requirement that holds money creation in check.


76 posted on 04/29/2008 4:14:07 PM PDT by groanup (War is not the answer. Victory is.)
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To: groanup
Are you really as ignorant as your post implies? Banks can create money with no Fed. In fact, it is the hindrance of a reserve requirement that holds money creation in check.

Obviously you have not clue how central banking works or you would not make an idiotic well the FED does not create it, but the Fed restrains it kind of dumbass remark. Go learn some basic economics and then you will be appalled at how grossly ignorant your question is.

I don't get you your junior partner sidekick tikester child. I really don't. THE FEDERAL RESERVE TAKES CREDIT FOR GROWING THE MONEY SUPPLY. They claim they set policy, every economist says they set policy, they execute the policy through well published open market operations which they explain in gorey detail, and they publish charts and graphs showing exactly how much money they cause to be created in the banking system and every economist says that that is what they do, but you two idiots deny that they do it. Are you dense, are you obtuse, or are you calling all economists and central bankers liars. Which of the three is it? You can check more than one box.

It is admitted, here, that long term credit depends upon demand and supply for credit as well as the availability of short term money to finance long term credit and service the resulting debt paymnets (principal and interest). But the leash on money with the federal reserve is really really tight,and the supply of what the federal reserve calls short term money - which they claim they manage - has gone up by $2T. You did not create short term money by selling stocks. You became a sink for short term money, not a supply thereof. Get it!?!?!?!? You are a negative, not a positive in the short term money supply equation. When you sold your stock to acquire M0 someone else expended M0 to acquire your stocks.

77 posted on 04/29/2008 4:49:18 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: groanup; Toddsterpatriot
Furthermore, like night follows day and fractional reserve banking multiplies money by expanding credit, when you trade a long term financial obligation for short term cash (i.e. swap M3 or things that are not even counted in M3 such as stock equity) not only do you not expand the money supply, you contract available credit. This sort of deleveraging is usually referred to as a credit collapse, or monetary depression. It is to fight this rapid demultiplication by your desire to hold more M0 that Bernanke has fought by creating $2T more of near term money equivalents, and he did so, as he and the federal reserve board and its economists, not accidently but through deliberate and wilfull intent to keep you from collapsing the economy when you liquidated your mutual funds.

No Bernanake is not worried about you expanding the money supply. He is fighting tooth and nail to keep you two from collapsing the credit supply by working very hard on M0 to counteract the demultiplying effect your actions are having.

The actual policy argument among serious economists, unlike you guys, is not whether Bernanke is expanding the money supply, but rather whether he should continue to reward and expand moral hazard by doing so.

79 posted on 04/29/2008 5:22:02 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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