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To: AndyJackson
Your table is meaningless. Of course ex communist countries that are suddenly capitalists are going to experience explosive growth. China and India are blasting off... finally.

Switzerland is a borderline socialist state. You like that? And, BTW, what statistics do you have that shows Switzerlad as a very productive economy. As far as I can tell, it hasn't come close to the type of GDP growth that we have in recent years.

I think I'm debating with one who would rather see economic growth stifled.

235 posted on 05/03/2008 6:12:28 AM PDT by groanup (War is not the answer. Victory is.)
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To: groanup
Your table is meaningless.

Thank you for proving a.) that you don't get around the world much, and b.) that you yourself are an idiot. Switzerland has always been and remains today one of the world's most advanced industrial countries. They have a far more educated population on average than our (hate to wound your ignorant patriotic price) and are very technically sophisctated. ETH (you have heard of it - Einstein was there for a number of years, for instance) is one of the world's premier research universities).

There are a couple of other not so minor idiocies in your claims as well. First, the US economy has been growing at best at 4% per year (relying on USG inflation corrected statistics), with some years a lot less, and currently it is running close to zero. Monetary growth above GDP growth is inflation, so that would suggest that even with the BLS corrected inflation numbers in GDP monetary growth has been outstripping GDP by 11% per year. Now that kind of monetary growth for many years suggests that the BLS adjusted inflation numbers are much lower than reality, which accords with the experience of most of us who actually buy things in the economy.

The problems in BLS inflation correction we could go into, but that is probably too deep for a feeble mind that does not even know that per capita the US is not the wealthiest country in the world anymore, even excepting the bizarre case of Luxembourg.

Since you seem to think that thing are so much better in the US than anywhere else in the world, here is another meaningless useless table for you to ponder Source

 

2005

2006

Luxembourg 68810 76040
Norway 60890 66530
Switzerland 55320 57230
Denmark 48330 51700
Iceland 48570 50580
Ireland 41140 45580
United States 43560 44970
Sweden 40910 43580
Netherlands 39340 42670
Finland 37530 40650
United Kingdom 37750 40180
Austria 37190 39590
Belgium 36140 38600
Japan 38950 38410
High income: OECD 36506 38120
Germany 34870 36620
France 34600 36550
High income 34962 36487
Canada 32590 36170
Australia 33120 35990
European Monetary Union 32101 34149
Italy 30250 32020
Singapore 26620 29320
Hong Kong, China 27690 28460
Spain 25250 27570
New Zealand 25920 27250
Greece 19840 21690
Slovenia 17430 18890
Portugal 17190 18100
Korea, Rep. 15880 17690
Trinidad and Tobago 10870 13340
Czech Republic 11150 12680
Estonia 9530 11410
Antigua and Barbuda 10700 11210
Hungary 10210 10950
Slovak Republic 8100 9870
Croatia 8350 9330
St. Kitts and Nevis 8250 8840
Seychelles 8390 8650
Equatorial Guinea 5410 8250
Poland 7150 8190
Latvia 6760 8100
Palau 7670 7990
Mexico 7300 7870
Lithuania 6910 7870
World 7016 7439
Libya 5930 7380
Chile 6040 6980
Venezuela, RB 4940 6070
Upper middle income 5053 5913
Botswana 5530 5900
Russian Federation 4470 5780
Lebanon 5510 5490
Malaysia 4970 5490
Mauritius 5250 5450
Turkey 4750 5400
South Africa 4820 5390
Uruguay 4560 5310
Argentina 4460 5150
St. Lucia 4920 5110
Gabon 4390 5000
Costa Rica 4660 4980
Panama 4640 4890
Romania 3830 4850
Europe & Central Asia 3968 4796
Latin America & Caribbean 4157 4767
Brazil 3890 4730
Grenada 4120 4420
Bulgaria 3510 3990
Dominica 3840 3960
St. Vincent & the Grenadines 3530 3930
Serbia 3490 3910
Montenegro 3310 3860
Kazakhstan 2940 3790
Belize 3570 3650
Jamaica 3420 3480
Belarus 2760 3380
Fiji 3170 3300
Namibia 2960 3230
Suriname 2540 3200
Macedonia, FYR 2830 3060
Middle income 2636 3051
Algeria 2720 3030
Marshall Islands 2930 3000
Iran, Islamic Rep. 2600 3000
Thailand 2720 2990
Bosnia and Herzegovina 2680 2980
Tunisia 2880 2970
Albania 2580 2960
Peru 2640 2920
Dominican Republic 2300 2850
..
Zimbabwe 340 ..
Source: World Bank Development Indicators 2007

237 posted on 05/03/2008 8:15:37 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: groanup
I think I'm debating with one who would rather see economic growth stifled.

It is you who thinks that loose monetary policy is a necessary component for economic growth. I stand with the Austrians in claiming that the exact oposite is the case, and that excessive monetary growth lead to malinvestment. Our real estate debacle is proof enough of that.

Further, there is plenty of evidence around the world that economic growth is possible while maintaining stable monetary values. In fact, we became the world's leading economic power while being on the gold standard.

And as the FED monitizes that Real estate debt that went into inflating real estate values it is returning to the case economy where we are seeing soaring escalations in commodities prices, which leads inevitably to soaring downstream production prices.

238 posted on 05/03/2008 8:21:31 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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