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To: llandres
Pulling out now will cost us countless MORE blood and treasure, but B) GW has made some gross blunders in non-planning and misguided idealism. I agree with the above poster’s take - our goal should be to build pro-Western allies (highly attainable), NOT persistently attempt to westernize, democratize them which is almost always a losing proposition in that part of the world.

Bush's main problem is that he will not allow our forces to hit hard enough. In any past war including most the USA's wars, the military hit as hard and as often as it could. There is no holding back, there is no diplomacy, there is only force, because force is what wins and nothing else.

Bush has been a smart man, but not a man with the balls to end this thing tomorrow, which is what we as a nation are capable of and is what gives our nation the historical respect it has. The rest of the world is simply watching to see how long it will take for us to pull the trigger and every day we wait we lose more respect and more opportunity to show the world that we are not a nation to be messed with on any scale.

It's time we deploy our most deadly weapons one at a time, just like we did in WW2. If history is a teacher we not only should learn from its mistakes, but capitalize on its successes as well. No apologies, no whimpering for the undeserving losers; just be what we are and be it the best we can.

57 posted on 04/27/2008 12:07:53 PM PDT by LifeOrGoods? (Liberalism=stupidity=Obama=false 'hope'=true defeat)
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To: LifeOrGoods?

“Bush’s main problem is that he will not allow our forces to hit hard enough. In any past war including most the USA’s wars, the military hit as hard and as often as it could. There is no holding back, there is no diplomacy, there is only force, because force is what wins and nothing else.”

You’re absolutely right about this (see one my latter posts further down). Particularly with this unique and persistent threat - only swift force stands a chance, not “hope”, not “compassionate tolerance” and NOT reason or diplomacy. This is a whole different agenda we face, unlike any ever before. The tragedy that’s created so much venom and disrespect, both here and abroad, is not that we went to war, but that we’ve conducted it in such a half-assed way, both in terms of strategy and resource commitment.


72 posted on 04/27/2008 1:25:04 PM PDT by llandres (I'd rather be alive and bankrupt than dead and solvent)
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To: LifeOrGoods?

“It’s time we deploy our most deadly weapons one at a time, just like we did in WW2.”

The danger I see in this (at least timing-wise, right now) is that, unlike in WWII, we now have several scary-crazy, barbaric enemies who ALSO have those deadly weapons. I think, particularly if even SOME other nations will commit along with us, that strategic, pre-emptive strikes with more conventional (but massive) firepower on their nuclear production facilities would work. It’s widely thought by intel that we don’t know where ALL of them are (some being hidden - where IS our intel, anyway?) But we could hit enough of them to put a major hurt on, if nothing else, buying us quite a bit more time to rally allies AND give a further warning to N. Korea in the process. Whatcha think?


73 posted on 04/27/2008 1:36:13 PM PDT by llandres (I'd rather be alive and bankrupt than dead and solvent)
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To: LifeOrGoods?

“There is no holding back, there is no diplomacy, there is only force, because force is what wins and nothing else.”

There IS one other alternative that would work, but would require the committed cooperation of all relevant players, and that to cut off all Iran’s credit and major banking abilities. It would immediately emasculate them, but, realistically, it’s kind of a long shot since it would require the unity of quite a diverse group of economic/banking powerhouses.


74 posted on 04/27/2008 1:41:59 PM PDT by llandres (I'd rather be alive and bankrupt than dead and solvent)
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