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Emergency Fuel Tankers Set Sail From Europe (To UK)
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 4-27-2008 | Andrew Alderson, Jasper Copping and Richard Gray

Posted on 04/26/2008 8:27:12 PM PDT by blam

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To: brushcop
Do you see any leader out there that will address this challenge?

Last I heard, we were a democratically elected republic. Leadership comes from people doing stuff. From the 'bottom'. It's my government. It was founded in my name. I was the people.

And if they don't follow, it's fine. I never expected to live forever.

Leaders shouldn't.

/johnny/

21 posted on 04/26/2008 9:40:45 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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To: gigster
Vehicular transportation fuel only. Heavy manufacturing has severe backups.

Hope that helps.

/johnny/

22 posted on 04/26/2008 9:42:11 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Good retort, but darn, I keep votin’ and the ones I vote for end up being out to lunch when most needed, after all, they’re supposed to be ready to make a decision. Now, granted that leadership comes from the people (bottom feeders, did I get it right?) doing stuff and we ARE the people, so-o-o-o-o, we gotta DO something...


23 posted on 04/26/2008 9:58:19 PM PDT by brushcop (B-Co. 2/69 3rd Infantry Div., "Sledgehammer!" ...and keep hammering 'em!)
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To: blam
"The price of oil is going in only one direction and that's upwards and fast. We need to start weaning ourselves off our dependency on oil."

Uhmm. Such a statement comes from a wonk with no concept of how a industrial society works and what it takes to retool a transportation system having a lower energy demand.

24 posted on 04/26/2008 10:09:17 PM PDT by jonrick46
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To: JRandomFreeper

Thank you. That makes a little more sense.
But not much.
It’s the Gov’s fault.


25 posted on 04/26/2008 11:33:09 PM PDT by gigster
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To: utherdoul
why would a country allow unions and strikers to cripple its economy?

You're right. Call out the goons to crack their skulls. Imagine workers having the right to strike. Why in my day the company boss just made a call to Pinkerton and problem solved.

We are headed for world wide depression. It is going to get nasty. Unless you are completely secure in your job, be careful who you are cheering for.

26 posted on 04/26/2008 11:41:38 PM PDT by gogov
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To: jonrick46

Let’s just say we will know the meaning of “elasticity”.


27 posted on 04/26/2008 11:53:08 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: gogov
We are headed for world wide depression.

World wide? I doubt there will be much of a change in the middle east. Also, I work at a seaport exporting grains and we have been working 16 hr shifts sending corn and soybeans out. Something is up though as we have never shipped out this late in the season. We have several loads scheduled for next week.

My hope is the Dang Feds will stop paying farms NOT to grow. The US could produce much more than it is which would drive the price down. (Can you say wheat/corn/soybean for oil?)

28 posted on 04/27/2008 3:27:26 AM PDT by MrPiper
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To: jonrick46

He may be a liberal democrat, but he is right. Relying so heavily on a commodity whose price is dictated by regimes run by fundamentalist nutters who hate non-believers is bad policy.
We should be seeking other alternatives to oil, not because it appeases the ‘save the whales’ brigade, but because our dependence on oil means that potentially hostile foreigners have us by the balls...


29 posted on 04/27/2008 3:29:46 AM PDT by thundrey
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To: MrPiper
I work at a seaport exporting grains and we have been working 16 hr shifts sending corn and soybeans out. Something is up though as we have never shipped out this late in the season. We have several loads scheduled for next week.

Fascinating. Sounds like the suppliers are voluntarily responding to the "signal" that higher grain prices are sending: "Yo, we need some food over here. Now."

In other words, the free market is working. But the ignorant politicians of the world are shouting "Price controls, we need price controls - the prices for food are too high!" And, of course, if they implement price controls, the "signal" will be squelched and their people will soon be starving.

If only the socialist politicians would get out of the way and let the amazing power of the free market get the job done.

30 posted on 04/27/2008 6:17:38 AM PDT by LikeLight (http://www.believersguidetolegalissues.com)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Actually, in the original form.... $, the symbol for the United States Dollar, was a letter U overlaid with a letter S. Thus forming the USD original symbol. Somewhere, the bottom got cut out of it, and it was gutted.

I don't like to correct people but I think you got the wrong information.

This says the symbol was in use by British and Spanish colonies before the US existed. It seems that the U and S idea is a common myth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dollar_sign

31 posted on 04/27/2008 6:56:30 AM PDT by varyouga ("Rove is some mysterious God of politics & mind control" - DU 10-24-06)
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To: MrPiper
World wide? I doubt there will be much of a change in the middle east...

They are in a prepetual depression at the hands of fanaticism and a cast system.

32 posted on 04/27/2008 8:08:41 AM PDT by gogov
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To: thundrey
I believe in substitutes for oil. Things like diesel from the Chinese Tallow Tree and, as the technology develops, diesel from algae. I also believe that ethanol fuels will work once we learn how to make it from cellulose. However, asking an entire country to throw all of their inefficient cars to the curb will be a huge expense. First of all, trade-in values for gas guzzlers will plummet. High efficiency cars will sell at a premium and the ordinary citizen will not be able to afford them. We need an affordable high efficiency car like the Tata Nano ($2500 in India), which in the diesel version (when it rolls out), will get around 80 miles per gallon. The retooling of our transportation to more efficient means is necessary. That retooling must not be prohibitive in cost.

There is a bigger problem looming on the horizon if a low cost retooling is not done. The high cost for energy has an adverse impact on purchasing power. If the economy goes south because no one wants to take that trip out to Mount Rushmore or even go out to dinner, unemployment will rise. You will see people out of their houses and kicked to the curb. The housing market will plummet and, just as the value of that low efficiency vehicle you want to trade in, down will be the value of ones house. This is a real possibility when oil costs affect not only the cost food, but everything else. Such inflation will cost jobs.

We are also sitting on a powder keg about to be set off by inflation. Inflation will spark higher interest rates. This is a recipe for that dreaded word first spoken in the 1970s: Stagflation. With it will come lost homes, lost wages and lost jobs.

If we think that by decreasing our demand for oil will lower the price, I am not certain that will happen. When we use less oil, another country will pick up the slack. This is why we need other energy sources that compete with oil costs.

33 posted on 04/27/2008 8:41:47 PM PDT by jonrick46
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