[roamer_1]

You are no patriot.

It was not I who laid out the parameters. It was you. It was you that gave me no choice. It was you that foisted this false and un-American position upon me, that I MUST vote for your sullied and abusing candidate, or that I MUST vote for the other.

Mark my words, sir: If in fact your wish comes true, you will find, without a doubt in my mind, that your ignoble and dishonest candidate and his 'friends' will not win you anything. A betrayer betrays. That is what they DO.

As to my patriotism, I will gladly lose the war if it preserves us our sovereignty- A thing which Bush, McCain, and their ilk have been all too quick to subvert.

You do not hold the high ground in this discussion, because you would continue to support the very destruction of our country by way of watering down the electorate with the Mexican hordes, and by causing the very borders of our land to disappear.

You would support our sovereignty on the seas being subverted, and our sovereign courts to be subsumed, and put into submission before the world court, all of which, I might add, being governed by the UN, puts that sovereignty under the control of the very Arab nations that our troops are fighting in!

So don't get on your high horse with me. It is neither patriotic, or in our military's favor, nor in our country's favor to vote for ANY of the current choices.

You are no better than Murtha, or Pelosi, or Reid, or Feingold, or Durbin, or Ted Kennedy.

But, but... those are all of John McCain's friends... surely patriots all, no? Can't you see how very hypocritical your position is?

[counterpunch]

I did not say you had to vote for one or the other, only that in the end we will get one or the other.
I said that with one you get victory, with the other you get defeat.
And you said “defeat it is.”

Those are your priorities.
They are not mine though, I can tell you that much.

[counterpunch]

As to my patriotism, I will gladly lose the war if it preserves us our sovereignty- A thing which Bush, McCain, and their ilk have been all too quick to subvert.

Ah, but you present here a false dichotomy, and a false choice.
You see, our next president will be either McCain or Obama, and no one else. Those are our real choices here.
And McCain at least recognizes that first we must secure our borders. Obama wants to not secure our borders at all. While McCain was working on "comprehensive immigration reform", something we all opposed, Obama was leading the effort to get a far more liberal version of the bill passed, that gave priority to chain migration over merit based migration.
Electing Obama over McCain would make the problem worse, much much worse, not better.