Posted on 04/25/2008 9:49:53 PM PDT by Howdy there
An attorney for FLDS families in Texas today challenged the state's claim of a pervasive pattern of underage girls having children, saying the state's own documents show that just two teenagers in custody are pregnant.
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Of the three teenagers listed as pregnant, Parker said, one is about to turn 18 and another refused to take a pregnancy test, he said.
"That leaves us with one," he said. Based on that list, Parker said, "I challenge the CPS to come forward with the pregnant minors."
Chris Van Deusen, a CPS spokesman, said, "The only thing we can say is we're aware that there are 20 girls who became pregnant, and they were between the ages of 13 and 16.
"That's not to say that there are 20 now, but at the time theyconceived, they were 13, 14, 15 or 16," he said. "That establishes that there is some sexual abuse here."
Parker said the 20 minors the state has identified either as pregnant or mothers actually had children over a 10-year period.
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Do you even read what you post?
You used some woman’s claim that she’s monogamous to support this statement:
“Apparently, not all the FLDS are engaging crime and statutory rape.... “
That really makes no sense whatsoever.
Either that, or you aren’t making sense.... :-)
There you go, trying to read my mind...and then making a false judgement based on your mind-reading result by insinuating motive.....don’t try that tactic on the religion forum.
AMEN!
Yup. Sure sounds like him.
Hi ArizonaJosie. Welcome to Free Republic.
Are Mormons Christian? I know this has been discussed here a lot, but I can never remember (which doesn't mean I'm losing it, it means it doesn't really matter to me, but it is pertinent to this discussion)
Could be.
How anyone could support this stuff is beyond me.
I wouldn’t take this too seriously. CPS would only present the court with a count of those girls who had already been definitively documented to be both underage and pregnant. The information this FLDS attorney is referring to is almost a week old. They were still testing and interviewing and trying to wade through all the misinformation that the women and children were giving them. A lot of pregnant girls were still claiming to be over 18, and had not yet undergone testing such as Xrays to try to determine their real ages. Seems a lot them got younger in a big hurry when they found out it would let them stay with their infants and toddlers.
I appreciate that article. I did note that the date was 4/23.
The CPS spokesman says on 4/25:
Chris Van Deusen, a CPS spokesman, said, “The only thing we can say is we’re aware that there are 20 girls who became pregnant, and they were between the ages of 13 and 16.
“That’s not to say that there are 20 now, but at the time theyconceived, they were 13, 14, 15 or 16,” he said. “That establishes that there is some sexual abuse here.”
Parker said the 20 minors the state has identified either as pregnant or mothers actually had children over a 10-year period.”
That having been said, my personal opinion is that ONE is too many and those cases should certainly be prosecuted.
No. I am not.
Are you a really big fan of lying about people?
Does he sound OMMish or is it just me? Oh, to be able to discern his ISP address.
Did you compare the posting history pages? I did!
Point to which ones I'm lying about and I'll tell you.
These freaks refuse to give correct names, dates of birth and parentage.
Heck, maybe they lost track amongst all the sister-wives and fifth-wives and co-children and whatnot.
Joe Smith must be smiling in hell.
Then you too could be facing a CPS who would say something like this:
Chris Van Deusen, a CPS spokesman, said, "The only thing we can say is we're aware that there are 20 girls who became pregnant, and they were between the ages of 13 and 16. "That's not to say that there are 20 now, but at the time they conceived, they were 13, 14, 15 or 16," he said. "That establishes that there is some sexual abuse here."
As I said, most certainly not the case here, but I just want to illustrate that there is no logic in the argument that, because girls under 18 had children, there MUST have been sexual abuse.
As I have said before, in my daughter's middle school there were more than one girl who was pregnant or had a kid. That's 12-14 year-olds. Nobody filed charges of sex abuse.
And again I'll say, this is certainly not the same as THIS case. This case is DIFFERENT.
Some articles say this is "25 mothers". Others say it is "25 girls", without stating that they were mothers.
I asked some of the diehard CPS supporters about this yesterday, but they refused to answer which they thought was correct.
Until we can get a couple of days where all the newspapers report the same facts, I consider this "25 mothers" to be a fact that is in dispute. If could simply be 25 girls who claimed to be over 18 but are not believed to be under 18.
It's nice though to find some of the humans that God HAS appointed to be his judges here on earth, and that they are right here at FreeRepublic.
I asked to speak to some of the girls, to find out for myself, but they wouldn’t let me. Could you put in a good word for me, since you seem to have direct access to the girls and can ask them questions?
ON the one hand, the lawyer for the FLDS is hardly an unbiased reporter, so I cant’ really take his claims seriously.
On the other hand, before they were in the coleseum, the mothers/kids were kept somewhere else, and they had cell phones and e-mailed pictures of how bad the conditions were.
The CPS response was to move them to the coleseum and take their phones away so they couldn’t e-mail pictures or document the truth of what the place was like.
If the state was smart, they videotaped the entire separation so that they can refute the claims made here.
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