Posted on 04/25/2008 9:49:53 PM PDT by Howdy there
An attorney for FLDS families in Texas today challenged the state's claim of a pervasive pattern of underage girls having children, saying the state's own documents show that just two teenagers in custody are pregnant.
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Of the three teenagers listed as pregnant, Parker said, one is about to turn 18 and another refused to take a pregnancy test, he said.
"That leaves us with one," he said. Based on that list, Parker said, "I challenge the CPS to come forward with the pregnant minors."
Chris Van Deusen, a CPS spokesman, said, "The only thing we can say is we're aware that there are 20 girls who became pregnant, and they were between the ages of 13 and 16.
"That's not to say that there are 20 now, but at the time theyconceived, they were 13, 14, 15 or 16," he said. "That establishes that there is some sexual abuse here."
Parker said the 20 minors the state has identified either as pregnant or mothers actually had children over a 10-year period.
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Ah, the infamous “I can’t answer their arguments, so I’ll accuse them of being part of an evil cult”.
GOt a name on any of those “paid operatives” from the Romney camp?
I’m guessing a lot of polygamists don’t abuse their children either.
I’m guessing a lot of abusers abuse their children. We identify the abusers because we find their kids are abused and then we find the abusers who abused them.
That way, we don’t have to call people abusers based on characteristics other than “they abused the kids”.
Yeah, they are trying to limit access to these vulnerable children.
Maybe your name popped up on the sex offender list or something.
Remarkable similarities! Is it legal to be at F.R. under more than one screen name?
They have a daily thread they maintain for people like you who can't discuss things in a civil manner.
The point you missed is how do you speak for the children that you have never spoken to?
Knowing the long alleged history of this religion and its practices, I wonder if there might not have been legal grounds to gather some substantial, actionable evidence of criminal wrong-doing prior to this massive police action. If none exists, I would ask why not? If you suspect a house on the block is running a prostitution ring, I think some attempt might be made to get enough dirt to warrant criminal prosecution.
Oh, it ain't hard when their "parents" are polygamist child-raping freaks.
Generalizations are possible when the cult dictates marriage of little girls to old perverts.
ROTFLMAO!
Agreed. It is always the smart thing to do. Probably why they didn't do it. :-)
....and just how many teenaged girls get pregnant at the local high school every year and have an abortion?... or, keep the kid and collect welfare?
Generalizations are always possible because the world is full of people who are ignorant.
You have no more of a basis for the claim you make here than you did for your previous claim. You cannot know that all the parents are “polygamist child-raping freaks”. And since we are talking about mothers being separated from their nursing infant 13-month olds, we can be pretty sure that we are NOT talking about polygamists (they don’t let women marry two men), or child-raping.
That is why the law gives each family the right to their own hearing, so they don’t all get painted by the same broad brush.
Starting with the fact that while polygamy is illegal, it is only illegal to the degree you have tried to have more than one legal marriage at the same time. The law no longer tries to keep men from sleeping with two women, or fathering children by two women, or even maintaining relations with two different families.
While we all rant about “polygamy”, HBO runs a weekly series about it, with hardly a peep about the tragedy of the lawbreaking men.
I just thought some of the pro-CPS people were running out of things to rant about, so I’d give them a chance to throw around “polygamy defender”.
It figures that if some childish ignorant slur is being uttered, you wouldn’t be far behind, even if you are separated from your behind in the process.
Oh. And when exactly does poly-mommy dearest start the brainwashing?
Starting with the fact that while polygamy is illegal, it is only illegal to the degree you have tried to have more than one legal marriage at the same time
Mmmhmm. You make excuses.
These folks are faking marriages to get welfare and indoctrinating kids into a sick-ass culture. And you defend it.
HBO runs a weekly series about it, with hardly a peep about the tragedy of the lawbreaking men.
Believe what you wish. Believe the media.
Say, how do you feel personally about underage girls?
Care to share your net surfing history?
Probably sometime during the 4 years the informant was reporting about what was happening in the compound and the police were not doing anything about it, presumably because they didn't have sufficient reason to believe a crime was committed.
If you have a specific act of "brainwashing" that happens to a 13-month-old that you think is illegal, why don't you point it out to us.
I suppose anything a parent instills to a 13-month-old is brainwashing, so I presume you are thinking about some evil kind of brainwashing, not the good kind like "when you need to poop, go sit on that special chair over there".
Charles, your statement here is morally bankrupt and relativistic. If one cannot look at the teachings of the FLDS and say that it's not Christianity as Jesus taught it, one coldn't do so with any religion, including Islam, a religion that reveres Jesus. And that's before we get into the KNOWN details of how they put their doctrines into practice. Why did Jesus say "By their fruit you will recognize them" if we weren't supposed to judge the fruit? The fruit of the FLDS is there to examine and it is rotten to the core.
Seriously, you're operating with a bloated sense of moral superiority if you think you aren't being just as judgmental as any person you're slapping the judgmental label on.
Have they prosecuted Britany Spears’ prego younger sister yet? Or is this selective enforcement of chastity laws?
CWCT, which is it? Did the Sheriff go in too soon, without evidence, or did he just wait too long?
The problem that surprised everyone at the Sheriff's dept and CPS was that the children gave different names each time they were interviewed. They either couldn't or wouldn't say who their fathers and, sometimes, their mothers were. The men were coaching the girls on their ages and birthdates - in front of witnesses.
And the cowardly men did not claim or name their wives and children. They have left the fighting to the women and lawyers.
Sure there are lots of unwed teens - but in most communities where “”at least 500 girls under the age of 16...are pregnant,” they weren’t impregnated by the same 50 men, and their parents didn’t arrange the pairing, rather than threatening to “kick them out.”
The one thing in common with those other girls is that the men don’t seem willing to step up and claim their children and protect the girls they got pregnant from dependency on the State.
If your original statement had been “The FLDS church is not a Christian church”, your argument would have merit.
Maybe that is what you meant to say.
But what you actually said was “These people are not Christians.”
That moved you from making a judgment about the tenets of the FLDS faith, to judging the current state of the souls of individual people.
People can be christians and be a part of a church that is not christian. For example, there are churches who teach that the Catholic church is not Christian, but who acknowledge that some Catholics are Christians.
I can tell a person what I believe is the correct faith and practice dictated to the creation by God. But I cannot judge whether that person is one of God’s children.
As to the manner in which you expressed your opinion, I commend you for your 1st paragraph, where you attacked my statement. If everybody would focus on the acts, rather than the person behind the act, our discussions would be civil.
BTW, I have no trouble judging people, and few here do. I just have trouble judging whether people are Christians or not.
I remember the fight around here when people were arguing over Dobson’s claim that Fred Thompson was not a Christian, and I made the same statement against Dobson as I did here — one can have an opinion as to the faith one see’s practiced, but God has simply not given to us the authority to proclaim which of his creation he has claimed for his own.
I will note that there are some interpretations of scripture that gave the Apostles that power and authority. Without agreeing or disagreeing, I feel comfortable saying the era of the Apostles is long gone.
I’m sure that in this case, it was all premeditated and evil, but in a hypothetical case, I’d sure hate to think that if my 6-year-old gets nervous being questioned by a dozen people and decides it would be funny to give them different fake names since they aren’t supposed to talk to strangers that the CPS wouldn’t take my kids away.
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