Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

African immigrants, black Americans at odds
Roanoke Times ^ | 4/24/08 | Rob Johnson

Posted on 04/24/2008 3:20:30 PM PDT by pissant

The small barren courtyard that separates the apartment buildings of Dwan Dillard and Mohamed Adin in Northwest Roanoke might as well be an ocean, so deep is the dislike that the American-born black woman and the Somali Bantu refugee have of each other.

"That out there is a war zone," said Dillard, whose four children live with her at Maple Grove Apartments, a blighted complex of four buildings with a total of 40 units on Pilot Street near Melrose Avenue. "The African children attack ours. They throw rocks."

Adin, who lives with his wife and nine children, blames "the Americans." Through an interpreter he said, "Day and night they throw rocks at our building. They yell at us. We are afraid. This isn't what we came to this country for."

Graffiti on the Maple Grove Apartments street sign read "Americans only," and "Africans not welcome."

The Catholic Diocese of Richmond's Refugee and Immigration Services office in Roanoke has been placing families from Africa and other countries in area apartments for years, with low rents being a key factor in settling them.

Maple Grove has been a favored destination for refugees from Somalia and other African nations since 2003, said Beth Lutjen, the agency's director. "They have become a community here," she said, walking around the complex Monday after receiving several complaints from her clients. "But now the tensions between the Africans and the American blacks have reached a crisis point."

Lutjen began searching for apartments elsewhere in Roanoke for the African refugees earlier this month, after Adin and other immigrants complained about the rock throwing and alleged that some of their children have been beaten by black American kids while waiting for the bus to nearby Westside Elementary School.

On Monday, the Africans kept 16 of their children home from Westside, Adin said. "We were afraid to let them go outside."

Most of the children returned to school Tuesday.

Police seek solution to residents' complaints

On Wednesday night, Amy Nasta, the coordinator of Virginia Tech's Pilot Street Program, a nonprofit refugee education program that rents a unit at Maple Grove Apartments as classroom space, said she called an ambulance to treat a refugee who said she had been roughed up by an American-born neighbor. "She was seven months pregnant," said Nasta, who said the woman alleged she was injured when the neighbor barged into her apartment looking for his child's missing soccer ball.

Nasta declined to identify the victim, fearing for her safety, as did a spokesperson at Lewis-Gale Medical Center. Her condition couldn't be learned on Wednesday.

Nasta said she also reported the incident to Roanoke police. Aisha Johnson, a police spokeswoman, said an officer recorded the matter as an assault but no arrests have been made.

Police records show 17 requests for their presence at the apartment complex in March, but it isn't clear how many were related directly to the tension among residents. Lutjen said the police community resource officer in the area has scheduled a meeting with her on Friday to discuss a possible solution to the tensions.

Lutjen said she fears more violence and so do some residents.

"I have a gun. If they hurt my kids, I'll use it," said Tricia Arrington, an American-born black woman with five children. Interviewed Monday outside her apartment, she said, "My 9-year-old daughter came in from riding the school bus with those Africans and they had spit all over her face. I ain't about to let them keep doing that."

The troubled atmosphere at Maple Grove Apartments has become too much for Nasta to continue her program there beyond the expiration of her lease at the end of May. "We're going to relocate because of the violence," she said.

Hostilities between black Americans and African refugees aren't new or unique to Roanoke, said Carl Taylor, a sociologist at Michigan State University who studies youth violence. "There's a lot of ignorance on both sides about the different cultures."

For several years the American blacks and the Africans -- many of whom have started the lengthy citizenship application process -- lived in harmony at Maple Grove Apartments, both groups said. Several new American-born families have moved in since the beginning of the year, when the troubles began, but no one is accusing specific families or individuals.

Apartments' condition contributes to stress

A contributing factor of late is the worsening physical conditions of some apartments and the public laundry room. Roanoke city code enforcement officials have cited four apartments as needing repairs since March 19, and one was condemned and ordered vacated.

The owner, Dr. George Abraham, a Roanoke allergist who has a private practice at 1117 S. Jefferson St., met and spoke with The Roanoke Times but declined to comment on the record about either the condition of the apartments or the rift among his tenants. Abraham immigrated to the U.S. from Egypt three decades ago and has owned Maple Grove Apartments for five years.

Lutjen said Abraham "hasn't been very helpful" in responding to complaints about maintenance of the apartments, including one potential health hazard: the ample presence of mold in several units. "You might think an allergist would show more concern about large amounts of mold in apartments he's renting, especially to people with children," she said.

For those sensitive to molds, prolonged exposure can cause eye irritation, nasal stuffiness and wheezing, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta. More severe reactions are possible in people with allergies or asthma. Abraham declined to comment on the presence of mold in the apartments when asked by The Roanoke Times.

The mold in one apartment was cited in March by Troy Coles, a city code inspector. That mold, growing on a bathroom wall, can't be kept under control merely with extra cleaning by the resident, he said, blaming drywall that has been saturated with water -- possibly from a roof leak. "Some of the drywall has to be replaced," he said.

Another factor angering both the Americans and the refugees is that Abraham recently raised rents on many apartments -- which residents said range from $425 to $550 a month. The $25 per month increase is partly to pay for damage such as broken windows caused by thrown rocks, the residents said. "But we aren't the ones throwing the rocks, it's the Africans," Dillard said.

Abraham declined to comment on the rent increase.

Tracy Reyes, one of the few whites living at Maple Grove Apartments, said she sees the causes for anger among both groups. "Everybody just needs to calm down. This is America; there's supposed to be a place for all of us."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption
KEYWORDS: blackonblack; racism; savages
"That out there is a war zone," said Dillard, whose four children live with her at Maple Grove Apartments, a blighted complex of four buildings with a total of 40 units on Pilot Street near Melrose Avenue. "The African children attack ours. They throw rocks."

Where is Reverends Al, Jesse, and africa lover Jeremiah?

Actually, this is small potatoes compared to the ethnic cleansing of US blacks from the barrios of Los Angeles by hispanic illegal aliens.

1 posted on 04/24/2008 3:20:30 PM PDT by pissant
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: pissant

NOW the term is just plain un-hyphenated, Americans.

mmm’kay


2 posted on 04/24/2008 3:25:06 PM PDT by daku ("My dream continues with ferocity, thank you.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: pissant

Oh, we can do so much with this one...

but I’ll try and avoid sounding like a typical whitey.


3 posted on 04/24/2008 3:26:07 PM PDT by misterrob (Obama-Does America Need Another Jimmy Carter?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: pissant
I grew up in the Bronx in the 70’s and 80’s. The Africans hated the blacks from America. They thought they were lazy and good for nothing. By the way, the Caribbeans and the same way. This was just my experience.
4 posted on 04/24/2008 3:26:32 PM PDT by bronxboy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: pissant

Butbutbut...I thought they were all African-American? I thought they wanted to identify with their African brothers and sisters, their culture and history etc etc. Why aren’t they embracing their newly found cousins?


5 posted on 04/24/2008 3:29:58 PM PDT by ktscarlett66 (Face it girls....I'm older and I have more insurance....)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: pissant

It’s not surprising they get bitter. They cling to rocks or Democrats or antipathy toward people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-Republican sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.


6 posted on 04/24/2008 3:32:37 PM PDT by Question Liberal Authority (There's more proof that Operation Chaos is working than there is proof that Global Warming is real.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: pissant
For several years the American blacks and the Africans -- many of whom have started the lengthy citizenship application process -- lived in harmony at Maple Grove Apartments, both groups said. Several new American-born families have moved in since the beginning of the year, when the troubles began, but no one is accusing specific families or individuals.

....

A contributing factor of late is the worsening physical conditions of some apartments and the public laundry room.

Tip toe, tip toe...

7 posted on 04/24/2008 3:34:31 PM PDT by workerbee (Ladies do not start fights, but they can finish them.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: bronxboy

My friend had a coworker who was here on a student visa from Africa. Her young son asked him about Kwaanza and he was laughin his...off. He said “That is nothing to do with Africa. That is crazy, made up black America. Nothing to do with real Africans or their heritage or the country.” He had pretty much the same opinion as your Bronx neighbors 30 years ago. He said black Americans have so much opportunity and he could not understand why they weren’t working to grab that with both hands. He said if they thought it was hard here, they should try living where he grew up.


8 posted on 04/24/2008 3:39:05 PM PDT by ktscarlett66 (Face it girls....I'm older and I have more insurance....)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: bronxboy

I have a friend who’s sister married a man from Kenya. One Thanksgiving we had a long talk about America and race. What he had to say about American blacks would have made David Duke blush.


9 posted on 04/24/2008 3:39:40 PM PDT by peacethroughstrength ("There is nothing so likely to produce peace as to be well prepared to meet an enemy." G. Washington)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: pissant

Um....and just who is it most “black American’s” support in a Presidential Candidate? An AFRICAN black, who happened to be born in Hawaii.....right?


10 posted on 04/24/2008 3:46:23 PM PDT by goodnesswins (20 is the new 10)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: daku

Maybe the immigrants should call themselves Americans and the black folks here should call themselves Africans. That would make more sense. Wouldn’t it??


11 posted on 04/24/2008 3:59:06 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: pissant

When I was in school way back in the 70’s I had two African housemates, one from Nigeria and the other from Kenya. They both were from upper-class families, obviously, because of the cost of coming to America for their educations. And both never could figure out the American Blacks, and avoided them at all costs....


12 posted on 04/24/2008 4:10:44 PM PDT by BullDog108 (A Smith & Wesson beats four aces)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: pissant
Image hosted by Photobucket.com the African engineers i worked with thought the majority of black Americans were lazy with an unwarranted sense of entitlement and basically had nothing to do with most of them.

oh, yeah... they ALL spoke better english than the homelys

13 posted on 04/24/2008 4:21:54 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: pissant
The Catholic Diocese of Richmond's Refugee and Immigration Services office in Roanoke has been placing families from Africa and other countries in area apartments for years, with low rents being a key factor in settling them. Maple Grove has been a favored destination for refugees from Somalia and other African nations since 2003, said Beth Lutjen, the agency's director. "They have become a community here," she said, walking around the complex Monday after receiving several complaints from her clients. "But now the tensions between the Africans and the American blacks have reached a crisis point."

Why do these do good organizations keep bringing these third world country people over here. What good is this person and their 9 children to America? Living in cheap housing, more than likely supported by taxpayers.

When our immigrant grandparents and great grandparents came here they had to prove they could work and that we needed them./hissyfit

14 posted on 04/24/2008 4:33:41 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (The FReeper Foxhole. America's history, America's soul.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: pissant

Let me guess, the Africans are racists?


15 posted on 04/24/2008 4:35:38 PM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: pissant

I heard it was the American blacks attacking the African ones for acting “too white.”

Anyone else hear/seen this?


16 posted on 04/24/2008 4:51:19 PM PDT by Keith Brown (Among the other evils being unarmed brings you, it causes you to be despised Machiavelli.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: pissant

Wouldn’t it be a kick in the ass if black Americans were to receive restitution and African Americans were obliged to pay it. After all, recent African immigrants did not arrive in slavery.


17 posted on 04/24/2008 4:58:51 PM PDT by 353FMG (Don't make the mistake to think that Government is a Friend of the People)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ktscarlett66
Butbutbut...I thought they were all African-American? I thought they wanted to identify with their African brothers and sisters, their culture and history etc etc.

American blacks haven't a single clue about African culture or history.

One of the best examples of this was the Eddie Murphy movie Coming to America. With the exception of some idiotic costumes, every single thing about the supposed royal family was straight from European culture, not African at all.

18 posted on 04/24/2008 4:59:48 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves. - A. Lincoln)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: blam

Had a Nigerian girlfriend for a while. I asked her what she thought about the American blacks wanting to reestablish ties with Africa, and she said, “My ancestors sold their ancestors to your ancestors to get rid of them. We don’t want them, and you can’t have your money back either.”


19 posted on 04/24/2008 5:01:43 PM PDT by Mountain Troll
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson