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Culture shock: Seized polygamous sect kids face tough adjustment (YFZ/fLDS Daily Thread)
Salt Lake Tribune ^
| 04/24/2008 07:32:33 AM MDT
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Posted on 04/24/2008 7:31:28 AM PDT by MizSterious
Culture shock: Seized polygamous sect kids face tough adjustment
The Associated Press
Article Last Updated: 04/24/2008 07:32:33 AM MDT
Posted: 7:33 AM- SAN ANGELO, Texas - The hundreds of children from a polygamist compound taken into state custody are on their way to group homes, shelters and residences, but experts and lawyers fear their transition may be much harder than it is for other foster children.
The 437 children taken from the compound in West Texas will be plunged into a culture radically different from the community where they and their families shunned the outside world as a hostile, contaminating influence on their godly way of life.
Many of the children have seen little or no television. They have been essentially home-schooled all their lives. Most were raised on garden-grown vegetables and twice-daily prayers with family. They frolic in long dresses and buttoned-up shirts from another century.
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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cult; flds; fldsdailythread; hemanmormonhaters; polygamy; sanangelo; yfz
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To: beltfed308
"From your links it looks like it's confirmed that the informant was in this specific sect. They are always the same sect, but the sect of 10,000 members live in and are assigned to various compounds of the sect depending on cult desires.
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posted on
04/24/2008 10:37:34 AM PDT
by
ansel12
(Sons of Helaman- uniformed FLDS who enter houses without knocking and report novels, computers,TVs)
To: najida
“”The kids parents?
You realize they dont know who their parents are and their parents arent really sure what kid is theirs after a certain age. And then there are the kids trucked in from Canada.
No toys, games, stories, bonding time with parents, treats, celebrations, holidays.... nothing normal at all.
Its not The Waltons that were talking about. Were talking about folks who kick boys out when they get pubic hair and marry of the girls without their sayso, so they can get preggers asap after their first period.””
Sounds comparable to life in every inner city in the country.
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posted on
04/24/2008 10:55:47 AM PDT
by
Neoliberalnot
((Hallmarks of Liberalism: Ingratitude and Envy))
To: beltfed308
Interesting that the informant never reported the underage pregnancies. Is there something in those links stating this? I didn't see that. Please post the info. Sorry, but I'm trying to keep up with multiple threads.
Also, if this "never reported" was stated by law enforcement sources, perhaps they were trying to keep their informant under cover so he could continue to report, ya think?
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posted on
04/24/2008 10:57:33 AM PDT
by
greyfoxx39
(Are there any WOMEN FReepers who agree that the 1st. Amendment OKs sexual slavery?))
To: Tammy8
I think whoever takes care of these children needs to focus on slowly introducing them to new things and new ideas over a long period of time, and teach them to think for themselves. How do you accomplish that without "changing" their religion? Their religion taught them everything about every day life. How to dress, how to play (or not). Every aspect of their young lives was religious based.
The closest religion to their own would be the latter day saints, though I don't want to wish that on them either. There are no easy answers but putting them back in the same abusive situation they came from cannot be one of them.
I pray for these children and for the women too, for some of the adult women, even the older ones, it's all they have ever known. The adult males are responsible for this.
To: Tammy8
I was raised very differently than most here and I had a great childhood- would not trade it for any other upbringing if I could. The childhood you described may not be as uncommon as you might think, especially among older members.
My father had to quit school when he was in the 3rd grade to work full time on the farm (in the 1920s). I had it better though, I only worked full time in summer and after school at other seasons, from about the time I was 8 or 9 years old. It helped make me who I am today, some might see that as a bad thing but I don't.
I am not as concerned with children working as long as that is not all they are allowed to do and from what I have read, they were abused in many ways, including sexually.
To: MizSterious
Just remember, that statement was written by a woman who supposedly went through that SAME mind control, and is the mother of 8 children that she kept and apparently takes care of and protects.
So while she claims that NO woman who was in the sect could be stable enough, she supposedly would exempt herself, and she is therefore the exception that shows her blanket statement is false.
Comment #107 Removed by Moderator
To: MizSterious
“Well, once they find out which children belong to which mothers, perhaps many of them can be returned to their mothersprovided theres been no abuse.”
The notion of individual rights and due process just makes no impression on people with such zeal to see others they don’t approve of rounded up and given what they deserve.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=aYAR3R6R7Ts
Sing along!
108
posted on
04/24/2008 11:46:19 AM PDT
by
Will88
To: Neoliberalnot
“Sounds comparable to life in every inner city in the country.”
No it doesn’t, and obviously silly lines like that get tiresome.
109
posted on
04/24/2008 11:51:21 AM PDT
by
ansel12
(Sons of Helaman- uniformed FLDS who enter houses without knocking and report novels, computers,TVs)
To: MizSterious; Politicalmom
Legal aid group challenges state's FLDS placement plan (FLDS)
"The Third Court of Appeals has decided to hear arguments over whether the state of Texas can place children from the Fundamentalist Church of Latter Day Saints currently in its custody into foster care without giving each of their families the opportunity to defend themselves in court, according to a press release."
More: HERE
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posted on
04/24/2008 11:52:03 AM PDT
by
greyfoxx39
(Are there any WOMEN FReepers who agree that the 1st. Amendment OKs sexual slavery?))
To: Will88
“The notion of individual rights and due process just makes no impression on people with such zeal to see others they dont approve of rounded up and given what they deserve.”
“Don’t approve of”? pretty benign description of the disapproval that has been crashing down on this rape cult for the last 7 years, already having won convictions and with more trials taking place as we discuss this raid, and then with the expected pay offs from the DNA investigations, many members of this cult will have time in prison to ponder the unfair disapproval we have for them.
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posted on
04/24/2008 11:58:30 AM PDT
by
ansel12
(Sons of Helaman- uniformed FLDS who enter houses without knocking and report novels, computers,TVs)
To: ansel12
Sorry, I left out the rampant crime, drugs, gangs, and minor women having kids with multiple daddy’s out of wedlock and the fact these folks are godless.
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posted on
04/24/2008 12:00:19 PM PDT
by
Neoliberalnot
((Hallmarks of Liberalism: Ingratitude and Envy))
To: Neoliberalnot
Still silly and irrelevant.
113
posted on
04/24/2008 12:14:29 PM PDT
by
ansel12
(Sons of Helaman- uniformed FLDS who enter houses without knocking and report novels, computers,TVs)
To: greyfoxx39
Oh, yes, it’s so wonderful that the kids are being protected from their evil environs by all these obsessive do gooders who are in such a rush to prove that they know better than their parents, that they are willing to do an equal amount of damage to the kids’ psyche in order to prove that their parents are perverts.
These are kids whose bodies have been shrouded in long underwear to protect them from violation by imaginary spirits, who have been taught that the outside world is full of evil villains and temptations. Now the authorities have most likely proven their parents right. They have almost definitely been stripped naked and been given internal examinations to check for abuse that probably did as much psychological damage to the kids as a real rape would have done.
They have been forcibly separated from everything that they knew, including their mothers and older boys who acted as leaders and presented with all the trappings of the outside world that they were taught to fear.
What’s so weird about this situation is that many of the posters on FreeRepublic who are the most obsessed with this subject are the same ones who decry the popular culture as
evil.
114
posted on
04/24/2008 12:31:29 PM PDT
by
Eva
(CHANGE - the new euphemism for Marxist revolution)
To: MizSterious
115
posted on
04/24/2008 12:31:55 PM PDT
by
Choose Ye This Day
(Obsessive Ex-Mormons: They can leave the Church, but they can't leave it alone.)
To: ansel12
Still silly and irrelevant.””
No, it is relavant because it demonstrates selective enforcement of the law. You really hate mormons don’t you? Are you a mormonphobe or what?
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posted on
04/24/2008 12:33:39 PM PDT
by
Neoliberalnot
((Hallmarks of Liberalism: Ingratitude and Envy))
To: MizSterious
Why the lowercase?
It’s not “fLDS,” it’s “FLDS.”
117
posted on
04/24/2008 12:37:09 PM PDT
by
Choose Ye This Day
(Obsessive Ex-Mormons: They can leave the Church, but they can't leave it alone.)
To: Eva
They have almost definitely been stripped naked and been given internal examinations to check for abuse that probably did as much psychological damage to the kids as a real rape would have done.********************
Do you mean this? An examination is the same as rape?
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posted on
04/24/2008 12:39:52 PM PDT
by
trisham
(Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
To: ansel12
“Those precedents are probably a large part of the reason for the operation.The primary precedent is now pretty much set in concrete and that is that the state can swoop in and dismember a community and steal all the children with NO due process at all and when the call on which it was based turns out to be fraudulent so that in a “normal” case all the evidence would be thrown out and the state would have to return things to status quo ante and pay lots of damages, because it is “the children” the operation continues relentlessly. And the precedents are piling up for any agency to take anybody’s children. The particular precedent for homeschoolers everywhere is very bad.
Due Process no longer applies where the state feels it to be inconvenient.” Arthus
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posted on
04/24/2008 12:43:16 PM PDT
by
Neoliberalnot
((Hallmarks of Liberalism: Ingratitude and Envy))
To: trisham
Yes, it is most definitely as bad as rape in the eyes of a young girl who has been taught to fear violation by imaginary spirits, as well as fear all outsiders. Think about how difficult an internal is for a normal woman, let alone one of these poor secreted children who have been taught that all outsiders are evil.
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posted on
04/24/2008 12:45:41 PM PDT
by
Eva
(CHANGE - the new euphemism for Marxist revolution)
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